Hauraki Gulf Marine Protection Bill - Seriously?

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In a particularly dumb move, last-minute changes to the Hauraki Gulf Marine Protection Bill will allow some forms of commercial fishing in selected High Protection Areas.

Seriously? There's no way that's going to be palatable to the 200-250K Hauraki Gulf fishos , many of whom will have significant local areas of safe, reasonable access to catch a feed removed when the bill is implemented anyway.

Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says the commercial fishing will be limited to winter and provides essential protein to Māori and Pacific Island communities in South Auckland. Further, he suggests the changes are very modest. "At the same time, I think people should bear in mind that we are in the grips of a wicked cost of living crisis, and this is not unreasonable for people who treat fish as a key part of the household diet."

Errrrrrrrrrrrmmmm  - well Shane, just check how much the primary target species of ring-netting are at the supermarket. Kahawai fillets are around $25/kg and mullet about $20kg whole. Chicken breasts are a WAY less expensive protein option at $14/kg so whoever is advising the Minister is doing a piss-poor job. When there's a "wicked cost of living crisis" then it's reasonable families that are struggling will be opting for the most cost-effective solution to getting sufficient protein.

Ministerial Muppetry that will lose those responsible significant support don't you think?
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Call me cynical but I bet these "last minute changes " were planned all along  ,just waited until the last minute to drop it on us,  but we shouldnt be surprized .......everywhere you look ( re the government )  there is the same incompetence and bare arsed lies......and a ridiculous waste of money Censored
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

In a particularly dumb move, last-minute changes to the Hauraki Gulf Marine Protection Bill will allow some forms of commercial fishing in selected High Protection Areas.

Seriously? There's no way that's going to be palatable to the 200-250K Hauraki Gulf fishos , many of whom will have significant local areas of safe, reasonable access to catch a feed removed when the bill is implemented anyway.

Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says the commercial fishing will be limited to winter and provides essential protein to Māori and Pacific Island communities in South Auckland. Further, he suggests the changes are very modest. "At the same time, I think people should bear in mind that we are in the grips of a wicked cost of living crisis, and this is not unreasonable for people who treat fish as a key part of the household diet."

Errrrrrrrrrrrmmmm  - well Shane, just check how much the primary target species of ring-netting are at the supermarket. Kahawai fillets are around $25/kg and mullet about $20kg whole. Chicken breasts are a WAY less expensive protein option at $14/kg so whoever is advising the Minister is doing a piss-poor job. When there's a "wicked cost of living crisis" then it's reasonable families that are struggling will be opting for the most cost-effective solution to getting sufficient protein.

Ministerial Muppetry that will lose those responsible significant support don't you think?

"Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says the commercial fishing will be limited to winter and provides essential protein to Māori and Pacific Island communities in South Auckland". 
Cool, that answers my question then.
No other ethnicity requires essential protein.
Right ho then.
It seems NZ First has secretly jumped on the ethnic divide bandwagon while publicly telling us programs based on ethnicity are wrong.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Angry
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Closed to all or open to all no in between. Mind you Sanfords no longer working the gulf as have sold out to Moana so I guess cant stand on IWIs toes??

When do or have the HPAs become in place?
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At this point what do you even do about it? Can't vote them out, both major parties making some pretty horrid decisions to do with fisheries.

Obviously the campaigning and signature collecting isn't doing it.

Stand over tactics? Someone's mum and a jandal? Probably can't match the "political donations" of the commercial sector
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You've made a good point Graham  - digging into this a bit more today, it's likely being driven more by Tama Potaka (Minister for Māori Development, Whānau Ora, Conservation, Māori Crown Relations) through the conservation portfolio. 

A bit going on here -  a Minister for Oceans and Fisheries (Jones), a Minister for Hunting and Fishing (McClay) and a Minister for Conservation (Potaka) but maybe Potaka needs to step up and explain WTF he is basing this outrageous decision on - is it advice from woke bureaucrats? 

Jones needs to stop trying to defend a dumb decision which strategically will hurt NZ First in the long term. If this goes through it could be a great way for all involved to lose the next election and he's particularly unpopular with rec fishers from how I read the room!
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

You've made a good point Graham  - digging into this a bit more today, it's likely being driven more by Tama Potaka (Minister for Māori Development, Whānau Ora, Conservation, Māori Crown Relations) through the conservation portfolio. 

A bit going on here -  a Minister for Oceans and Fisheries (Jones), a Minister for Hunting and Fishing (McClay) and a Minister for Conservation (Potaka) but maybe Potaka needs to step up and explain WTF he is basing this outrageous decision on - is it advice from woke bureaucrats? 

Jones needs to stop trying to defend a dumb decision which strategically will hurt NZ First in the long term. If this goes through it could be a great way for all involved to lose the next election and he's particularly unpopular with rec fishers from how I read the room!
What happens to fisheries is only a concern to handful of people. We have read/hesrd this ,that the other will effect outcome of election. Bollocks more depressing issues that need fixing in NZ . Crime still rising. Health,Yep lets borrow 14b over 3 yrs to give a tax cut and on it goes,so fisheries is way way down the list.
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

WTF he is basing this outrageous decision on - is it advice from woke bureaucrats? 


That seems doubtful, one thing that I have noticed about this government so far is that they don't take advice from anyone but just go ahead and do whatever they planned on doing anyway.
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You might be surprised just how much influence the shiny pants brigade have Kevin and only the parties concerned will know. The Ministers do have a lot to deal with at the moment that's for sure. 

Paul - it's more than a handful of people old chap. Estimates are there's ~200K people who fish the HG and no-one I've talked to thinks the decision to allow commercial fishing in an HPA is a clever idea. The concern for the average voter is that if there are dumb decisions like this then that brings other decisions into question doesn't it. That then tracks to falling confidence and.... oh wait, check what's happening in the polls.
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

You might be surprised just how much influence the shiny pants brigade have Kevin and only the parties concerned will know. The Ministers do have a lot to deal with at the moment that's for sure. 

Paul - it's more than a handful of people old chap. Estimates are there's ~200K people who fish the HG and no-one I've talked to thinks the decision to allow commercial fishing in an HPA is a clever idea. The concern for the average voter is that if there are dumb decisions like this then that brings other decisions into question doesn't it. That then tracks to falling confidence and.... oh wait, check what's happening in the polls.
This lot will get a 2nd term then watch the damage. Are the HPA in place already if so what is soft anchoring?Apparently its allowed. 200k fish the gulf doesnt mean 200k will vote against them,maybe just question there actions. What did Labour do for recreational fishing?

Serious question for you Grant. How come Legasea Hawkes Bay achieve a exclusion zone/s with commercial yet Head office cant or wont engage with local comm fisherman? Have asked and they have failed to reply


Who agreed and singed off on these HPAs  Wink
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The point is once it's passed it's all over rover.

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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

The point is once it's passed it's all over rover.

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Dear Prime Minister Luxon,

I am writing to express my deep concern over the government’s recent decision to allow commercial fishing within the newly proposed High Protection Areas (HPAs) of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park.

Its open to all or closed all,including customary take.

As a voting member of the public, my faith in political processes is being undermined as is your ability to manage this coalition.

Sincerely

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Current lot want to give the fishery over to commercials. Last lot wanted to give it to a minority group. We can't win. Either way, we will be better off when NZ First is gone. My personal opinion is that the National and ACT would make a half decent government without them. 
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

You might be surprised just how much influence the shiny pants brigade have Kevin and only the parties concerned will know. The Ministers do have a lot to deal with at the moment that's for sure. 

Paul - it's more than a handful of people old chap. Estimates are there's ~200K people who fish the HG and no-one I've talked to thinks the decision to allow commercial fishing in an HPA is a clever idea. The concern for the average voter is that if there are dumb decisions like this then that brings other decisions into question doesn't it. That then tracks to falling confidence and.... oh wait, check what's happening in the polls.
This lot will get a 2nd term then watch the damage. Are the HPA in place already if so what is soft anchoring?Apparently its allowed. 200k fish the gulf doesnt mean 200k will vote against them,maybe just question there actions. What did Labour do for recreational fishing?

Serious question for you Grant. How come Legasea Hawkes Bay achieve a exclusion zone/s with commercial yet Head office cant or wont engage with local comm fisherman? Have asked and they have failed to reply


Who agreed and singed off on these HPAs  Wink


Pauls right, most new Zealanders dont see fisheries as a priority when there are more pressing issues facing this country. Also it seems that recreational fishers of the HG think that they should have exclusive rights to the waters for themselves as well as the rest of the inshore waters. Perhaps advocacy groups such as Legsaea arent as effective as a lot of you think they are, happy to take your donation but their anti commercial propaganda just isnt working otherwise Auckland recreational wouldnt be facing these issues.
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The finest fisheries minister money can buy.
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Originally posted by Lowbox Lowbox wrote:

The finest fisheries minister money can buy.

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One of the saddest points about all this for me is the fact that no-one will want to invest a minute of their time in any future consultations or investing their expertise in working groups when the whole process can be turfed out on the whim of a politician overriding 100's of hours of quality work. Why would you bother?

The level of arrogance and disrespect is mind blowing.
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For those doing submissions - it has more impact if you tailor the content rather than stick with a form response.  I have seen where all form responses have been grouped as one submission while those with different content are counted individually.  (gotta play the game I guess)
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