Yeah I've tried that but it still happens, Its not a big reel its my little 4000fd.  

I just brought the saltist 5000 based on the fact it has ample drag, great line retrieve (135cm) and in terms of weight it is about 90g lighter than a saragosa 18000 (with a 105cm retrieve) and is more compact in size. All round it was a pretty easy decision and the below specs speak for them selves...

http://www.shimanofishing.co.nz/products/reels/spinning/saragosa/specifications

http://www.tackledirect.com/daiwa-saltist-stt5000h-saltwater-spinning-reels.html

The saragosa 8000 was not an option for me as the line retrieve is far too low for a topwater reel. Since using my low ratio jig reel and comparing it to even my dirty 12000D bait runner I have realised that the less winding you do the better, so  a high ratio reel is far better. Just loo at the ratios of the top end dog fights etc.

I have a nice PE6-8 kilwell nano rod to pair it up with - very very nice light sexy rods these and like most I can't say enough about them. It will be good to finally pair it up with a nice reel and rid of the dirty 12000D.

Not bagging the saragosas at all, I'm sure they all work just fine and are proven fish catchers please don't get me wrong.

I got 6500 for $198 usd on ebay cupla years ago

Tomatron wrote: I got mine from www.meltontackle.com got some other stuff too and cost about$60NZ for shipping. I went with 5000 as it it more compact in size than the 6500, although being about 1oz heavier (). It has more than enough line capacity for what I will be using it for. No point having 400m of 80 braid if only the top 100m will be used 99% of the time. if the 4500 had the same drag and retrieve then that would be the go, bummer about that but oh well. The other thing was cost, $20 cheaper than the 6500... Diawa seem to work out a lot cheaper if purchased from the US. Shimano work out about the same so no point...

thanks for reply yes 4500 would be sweet if it had the 15kg drag wonder if there is a drag upgrade available?

Makes form some good reading Tomatron, and looks like you did some good research!  Out of interest - how much did you pay for the 5000H from Melton?  I probably would have gone with the same real as well, I like the Saltists - they are built really strong.

Tomatron wrote: I just brought the saltist 5000 based on the fact it has ample drag, great line retrieve (135cm) and in terms of weight it is about 90g lighter than a saragosa 18000 (with a 105cm retrieve) and is more compact in size. All round it was a pretty easy decision and the below specs speak for them selves... http://www.shimanofishing.co.nz/products/reels/spinning/saragosa/specifications http://www.tackledirect.com/daiwa-saltist-stt5000h-saltwater-spinning-reels.html The saragosa 8000 was not an option for me as the line retrieve is far too low for a topwater reel. Since using my low ratio jig reel and comparing it to even my dirty 12000D bait runner I have realised that the less winding you do the better, so  a high ratio reel is far better. Just loo at the ratios of the top end dog fights etc. I have a nice PE6-8 kilwell nano rod to pair it up with - very very nice light sexy rods these and like most I can't say enough about them. It will be good to finally pair it up with a nice reel and rid of the dirty 12000D. Not bagging the saragosas at all, I'm sure they all work just fine and are proven fish catchers please don't get me wrong.

Nice PieBoy! Obviously slightly slower retrieve on the Saragosa doesn't stop you!

CBF-BOP wrote: Hi All   Bought a 1800 saragosa new from local shop pre xmas. Has had a few kingys and when is working correctly is a good reel.. BUT it has been back in for a service twice in less than 6 months. They do not like getting spray on them and on my boat that is a fact of life.   Buyer be ware>>>>   CBF Whk