Saltist or Saragosa?
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Topic: Saltist or Saragosa?
Posted By: -mAdfis HO-
Subject: Saltist or Saragosa?
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 11:35am
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Hey guys I'm looking at buying a new heavy duty spinning reel for poppering/stickbaiting/jigging etc. I Would love a Stella or Saltiga but not for the price tag, so I'm undecided between the Shimano Saragosa 18000 and the Daiwa Saltist 6500. Just about all my reels i fish with are shimano. I had a Daiwa viento a while back and it was a piece of **** so I'm a little unsure about daiwa, even though I've heard only good things about their top end spinning reels. There's not alot of difference between the 2 in specs other than the gear ratio of 6:2:1 the saltist has over the Saragosa's 4:9:1, also more max drag with Saltist (33kg) Saragosa (20kg). So just wanting to hear from anybody out there who uses these reels and people's thoughts on them. Maybe there's something else worth looking at? I think the Saragosa retails for $500 at fish city, Saltist a little less maybe??
------------- FiShInG rOcKs! ChEeRs -mAdfis HO- |
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Posted By: hardstickbaiter
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 12:20pm
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hay bro send me your email i might be able to help you out with something ------------- Strictly Stickbaits |
Posted By: hardstickbaiter
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 1:12pm
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cherz bro check out ur email inbox
------------- Strictly Stickbaits |
Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:43pm
| Think the saltist is 33lbs not kg, but anyway, what conclusion did you come to? |
Posted By: CBF-Whk
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 9:28pm
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Keen to know too
CBF
Whk.
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 9:49pm
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I fish a smaller saragosa 8000 (spooled with PE5) off the rocks and have caught some good kings on it up to 20kg but have also been absolutely smoked at the same time. 8000 has lower drag than the 18000 but I chose it as it wasn't as physically a big a reel which was important for me when used for long periods of casting.
One thing I note on them is that you really need to crank up the drag to get the max drag on them. They seem to go to a point where you think you are close to full drag but crank it some more and it really starts to lock up. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 10:32am
| Been using a saltist 5000H for awhile now, It's no stella or saltiga but for the price I've been really happy with it. not as smooth to wind as the saragosa but much better drag, run pe8 on mine. haven't caught anything massive with it but has been given plenty of work outs on kings to ~23kg and fought 3 YF tuna in the 20-40kg range with no issues |
Posted By: Jonny rotten
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 11:07am
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there is ment to be a saragosa 10k coming out soon...its been out in the states for a bit and at a goos price aswell. i am looking at importing one for myself. ------------- Rocking the CROCS since 2011 |
Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 1:51pm
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I was looking into the saltist 5000 too, as per said I think the 6500 is quite a big reel and the 5000 still has the same 33lb drag as the 6000 and 6500. 33lb of drag is quite a bit, if you can imagion trying to pick up a full 10lt bucket of water that would weigh about 22lbs with your rod and reel its quite a fair bit of weight... on the saragosa using 20kg of drag would result in the rod snapping in most cases unless you have a 37kg game rod broom stick so I don't see the need for such a HUGE drag,
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Posted By: Tonto2
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 3:44pm
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Been using my Saragosa 18 for a while now and it has performed well on kings, haven't used the saltist so can't compare. Can't say I like jigging with it as I am still a fan of overheads but its choice for big livies and poppers. ------------- slowly going where everyone else has already been |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 4:12pm
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hey aaron
had teh saragosa 18000 out and no one has had a problem - kings to 20kg no problems
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Posted By: atis
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 4:49pm
| all the 5000, 6000, 6500 saltists are the same reel, they have only different spool size... the 4000 and 4500 are slightly smaller, but again only different spool. |
Posted By: -mAdfis HO-
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 4:56pm
Got a new Saragosa 14000f on trademe for $370! bloody bargin  Took it out the other week for a play with a popper at bowentown, only got a big kahawai on it but yeah very happy with it so far.------------- FiShInG rOcKs! ChEeRs -mAdfis HO- |
Posted By: FishingHunters
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:56am
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FEATURES OF THE REEL DAIWA SALTIST 6500 SHIMANO SARAGOSA18000
15kg drag 20kg drag
6'2'1 gear ratio 4'9'1 gear ratio
500m of 50lb braid 600m of 50lb braid
5+1 bearings 6+1 bearings
135cm line retrieved per crank 104cm line retrieved per crank
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Posted By: FishingHunters
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:57am
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MY CHOICE I WOULD GO THE SARAGOSA |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 5:03pm
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The daiwa catalina may be an option, its a saltiga with only a few less bearings, its the rebranded saltiga blast.. Ive owned one and put carbon drags in it. If you have 12 - 15kgs of drag out of a spin reel on topwater gear its usually ample. Because of the length of the rod you cant put the same drag over it as a jig rod. Two totally different animals. Also because the fish are on top of the water you usually have quite a bit more water column to play the fish. Buy the best you can afford thats the only advise id have. ------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 5:24pm
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Id go saltist as retrieve is better...15kg is plenty, i doubt the other would last long at 20 anyway... |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 7:07pm
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agree with cbro... 3/4 drag is where your reel will run its best for a long time..
------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 9:36pm
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Not sure about Saragosa but Saltist has nice big chunky bail arm that is manually operated so no surprise accidental closures and subsequent disasters when casting. ------------- Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money. |
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 7:02am
 And if the Saragosa is anything like my Stella it will!! IT WILL
 . I have to make sure my handle is down low or when I cast the handle turns and closes bail arm... |
BeachedAsBro wrote:Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 9:51am
My Saragosa 18000F doesn't.
Can't you remove the mechanism inside that does that on your Stella? Surely its an easy fix.
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 9:01am
Yip, it's as simple as removing the rotor. There is a small white plastic "ramp" shaped piece that you can snap off, or if that's a bit rough.... You will have to dismantle the reel further to remove it properly. Hopefully the new 10K will be a manual trip. Cbro, you are rotating the spool until it hit's the stop once the bail arm is open before casting? This will limit the amount of bail trips you will get but not fix it completely. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 11:07am
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Yeah I've tried that but it still happens, Its not a big reel its my little 4000fd. I haven't ripped it out cos I don't want to void the warranty which I presume this would. Im glad I went with a Saltiga over the stella for stick baiting...I'd hate to lose one of your lures. BTW I will be wanting one or two to go with my PE6 Graeme will be bringing up in Dec, I hear this rod is suited to your lures? Do you have any available?. I only have heavy Starwalker lures I'll have to dispose of. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2012 at 10:52am
50g and 100g stick-baits are made to order at the moment... Send me a PM when your sorted! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 2:38pm
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I just brought the saltist 5000 based on the fact it has ample drag, great line retrieve (135cm) and in terms of weight it is about 90g lighter than a saragosa 18000 (with a 105cm retrieve) and is more compact in size. All round it was a pretty easy decision and the below specs speak for them selves... http://www.shimanofishing.co.nz/products/reels/spinning/saragosa/specifications http://www.tackledirect.com/daiwa-saltist-stt5000h-saltwater-spinning-reels.html The saragosa 8000 was not an option for me as the line retrieve is far too low for a topwater reel. Since using my low ratio jig reel and comparing it to even my dirty 12000D bait runner I have realised that the less winding you do the better, so a high ratio reel is far better. Just loo at the ratios of the top end dog fights etc. I have a nice PE6-8 kilwell nano rod to pair it up with - very very nice light sexy rods these and like most I can't say enough about them. It will be good to finally pair it up with a nice reel and rid of the dirty 12000D. Not bagging the saragosas at all, I'm sure they all work just fine and are proven fish catchers please don't get me wrong. |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 2:48pm
| looking at these aswell tomatron, can get the saltist with a full spool of 80lb braid for under 300us dollars from charkbait,am interested why you went with the 5000 over the 6500? cheers. |
Posted By: pirate
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 3:40pm
| I got 6500 for $198 usd on ebay cupla years ago |
Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 7:19am
I got mine from www.meltontackle.com got some other stuff too and cost about$60NZ for shipping. I went with 5000 as it it more compact in size than the 6500, although being about 1oz heavier ( ). It has more than enough line capacity for what I will be using it for. No point having 400m of 80 braid if only the top 100m will be used 99% of the time. if the 4500 had the same drag and retrieve then that would be the go, bummer about that but oh well.The other thing was cost, $20 cheaper than the 6500... Diawa seem to work out a lot cheaper if purchased from the US. Shimano work out about the same so no point... |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 7:39pm
 yes 4500 would be sweet if it had the 15kg drag wonder if there is a drag upgrade available?
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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 8:23pm
| 8 days in the post I it's on my door step. Pretty happy with the reel it's a shame the 4500 dosn't have more boogie as this would have been the size to go for but none the less. Got about 270m of 80lb whiplash hi-viz braid. See how we go with this and may look at a better braid next year when the bank recovers! |
Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 9:52pm
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Makes form some good reading Tomatron, and looks like you did some good research! Out of interest - how much did you pay for the 5000H from Melton? I probably would have gone with the same real as well, I like the Saltists - they are built really strong. |
Posted By: Baked Fish
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 10:24pm
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I imported a 6000 one year ago. It was my understanding the 5000, 6000, 6500 are all the same reel. The only difference between them was line capacity. You will find the 6500 is the lightest and the 5000 the heaviest. Guess they just machine a bit more of the spool for more line capacity. I put a blue Accurate T-bar on mine as the knobs they come with are awful. You will also find they have no roller bearing, they can be found on ebay. |
Posted By: speckledknob
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2013 at 3:14pm
Everything you say makes sense but what do you have against the 12000D? (other than being heavy as hell) seems to be a decent reel for the price... just maybe not for topwater... ?
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Posted By: pieboy98
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2013 at 3:47pm
 Go the Saragosa 18000. We got hammered by GT's in Tonga and they performed no worries, This model around 35+kgs
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Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2013 at 4:04pm
| Nice PieBoy! Obviously slightly slower retrieve on the Saragosa doesn't stop you! |
Posted By: CBF-Whk
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2013 at 4:03pm
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Hi All Bought a 1800 saragosa new from local shop pre xmas. Has had a few kingys and when is working correctly is a good reel.. BUT it has been back in for a service twice in less than 6 months. They do not like getting spray on them and on my boat that is a fact of life. Buyer be ware>>>> CBF Whk
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2013 at 4:53am
"They do not like getting spray on them and on my boat that is a fact of life." Most reels dont like it but you have some preventative measures a)lie the rod and reel flat on a towel in a safe place away from spray. b) Avoid travelling with rod and reels in rocket launchers if possible c) If you must use rod holder/rocket launchers...either leave reel cover on like shimano neoprene ones or use shower caps(cheap option)...the shimano ones can be fitted to reel on the rod. Keep them coated in inox to help keep salt spray out. Hope this is of some help to protect that nice reel  My 2 cents worth on the reels.....the higher ratio is only a factor for popping as when stickbaiting you are merely retrieving the lost line from the sweep and speed is not important and even at 4.9 to 1=Just wind faster for popping! The drag on the sarragossa is the same as the spheros=dartanium drag and like jk said...most of it kicks in near the end....i found in the last quarter turn before lock up i found(spheros 14000FB).............If it were me....i personally dont like those dartanium ones and would change them out for carbontex ones. ....awesome.p.s I have never had my stella 10,000 do the bail trip thing.Touch wood! Wicked GT Pieboy
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 08 May 2013 at 7:18pm
| I have both the gos a for jigging...awesome the saltist for livebaiting and its share of jigging ...awesome both good reels...keep in it bent cheers jim |