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I've been playing around with the twisted leader to solid ring connection with a couple methods I was told about from an aussie mate (in writting not pics).
Anyone got any pics of these connections? I'm off to Aitutaki in a month and would rather have it sussed before hand. A few have held good but others have let go really easily so I'm not too confident I'm doing the right thing to be honest.
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crimp a bite leader on the end of the twisty ,make it about 1m long and out of 150-200lb fluoro.
Then you can either put a swivel and a split ring on the end or just tie your popper/stick baits on
Will post of pick as soon as i can.
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Alternatively make your leader out of 100kg Plytapus braid, and tie straight to your lure (I have as small a duel snapp swivel as is possible). I have a bimini to nail knot with a length of the above as my leader, two turns on the reel with just enough to cast with, out the tip. Saves having to have an extra connection for the bite leader.
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Whats the abrasion resistance like on 100kg braid? Wouldn't mind tryin what SJ has said, although a pic would help.
I've tried a method where you weave the twist back on itself then whip some braid around it and rizzuto the finish like I would with my braided loops for fly fishing just on a bigger scale. Two held awesome but 2 others let go real easy.
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Originally posted by stellajigger stellajigger wrote:

crimp a bite leader on the end of the twisty ,make it about 1m long and out of 150-200lb fluoro.
Then you can either put a swivel and a split ring on the end or just tie your popper/stick baits on
Will post of pick as soon as i can.

As above or for twisties made with 60/80 or soft 100 mono, tying a uni to a swivel is fine.  Anything heavier a crimp is required or you can double it back up on itself (Making a short section ie 4 stand twisted a few inches long) finish with a nail knot. (I've never bothered doing this)

I tend to shy away from twisties when using sinking stickbaits as they may stand out more underwater. No worries for the big poppers though and I will go back to using them more around some nasty reefs in New Cal on my next visit. 

ps, Try and keep your bimini's short as they can get hung up the stripper guide when casting, under heavy casting forces this aint pretty...  that's the only negative out of this setup.

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I'll keep tryin to tyin the uni in the lighter stuff. They always seem to look pretty ugly when pulled up with the double strands, maybe I need to tidy the strands a bit before pulling tight, I dunno.

I'll just keep pluggin away till I get something I like.
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Stella has the twisties sussed and they are pretty tough.
 
FG is real easy though,I just keep practising and have got them to a point where unless fish tie of to the back of my ute and pull like a mother ****er they aint going to find any weakness,and im sure Ginga is using PR for casting aswell as jigging.Im sure you are familiar with PR.
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Yep Pr working for me but also using Fg as well
Have seen some guys using wind ons and biminis as well but they have had a few issues when casting. As Ocean blue said it aint pretty when things go wrong whilst casting.
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a simple loop to Bimini connection on the other end.
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[QUOTE=Badfish]Whats the abrasion resistance like on 100kg braid? 

The guys who showed me the braid leader have been charter fishing up in Vanuatu and the Coral sea for a long time.
 They reckoned it had better abrasion resistance than mono. It is quite a thick weave compared with the 80lb braid attatched to it.  I would imagine that it would take a bit of a beating?
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no way there off the heads Wacko
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This is one of the guys. The braid can be seen attatched to a piece of mason solid strand nickle alloy, I gather this is typically used when there are wahoo and dogtooth tuna around?

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Interesting ,wouldn't imagine braid having any abrasive resistant s at all.
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Its a pretty open weave  braid, and has a lot more strands to break than Mono. Whereas Mono under load would only need a nick, this stuff would need to be repeatedly abraded?
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Ryan.. video link on how to make twisted leadersWink

http://www.nomadtackle.com/nsatackle_riggingvid_twisted_%20leaders.htm
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Helpful video by Nomad guys.

Question though... How tight should the twist be? I made up 10 twisties out of 100lb mono getting an even twist throughout but I varied the degree of twist in each. I notice on Sjs pic his twisty is quite alot tighter than I made mine. Does it mater????

Also what brand/rating swivels for GT setups?

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Cheers for that SJ, looks pretty much as easy as it gets. Will give it a whirl.
I think it was Rod Barron or somebody that posted a vid, thats the method I use, nice and easy.
 
Aaron just give them a bit longer on the drill, thats how I got to get mine tighter. Not sure how much difference it makes but it certainly made the terminal end easier to deal with. But as you can tell, I'm no expert for sure
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Twisted leaders also provide some nice line stretch aswell as abrasion resistance so a medium tight twist is perfect. (I'd call the picture above as tight, and pretty much spot on) As long as the twistie is even so both strands share the weight evenly that is ideal.  Sometimes you have 1 strand straight with the other strand doing all the twisting, or gaps in too lose twists.  Chuck them out and start again. 

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Here is a twisty trevor made for me. binding done with a pr bobbin but I just use a 6 turn nail knot

my connection to the braid



I use them for jigging and popping
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