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Topic: Twisted leaders, terminal end
Posted By: Badfish
Subject: Twisted leaders, terminal end
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 4:58pm
I've been playing around with the twisted leader to solid ring connection with a couple methods I was told about from an aussie mate (in writting not pics).
Anyone got any pics of these connections? I'm off to Aitutaki in a month and would rather have it sussed before hand. A few have held good but others have let go really easily so I'm not too confident I'm doing the right thing to be honest.


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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 5:36am
crimp a bite leader on the end of the twisty ,make it about 1m long and out of 150-200lb fluoro.
Then you can either put a swivel and a split ring on the end or just tie your popper/stick baits on
Will post of pick as soon as i can.


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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 9:11am
Alternatively make your leader out of 100kg Plytapus braid, and tie straight to your lure (I have as small a duel snapp swivel as is possible). I have a bimini to nail knot with a length of the above as my leader, two turns on the reel with just enough to cast with, out the tip. Saves having to have an extra connection for the bite leader.


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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 6:55pm
Whats the abrasion resistance like on 100kg braid? Wouldn't mind tryin what SJ has said, although a pic would help.
I've tried a method where you weave the twist back on itself then whip some braid around it and rizzuto the finish like I would with my braided loops for fly fishing just on a bigger scale. Two held awesome but 2 others let go real easy.


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Posted By: Ocean Blue
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by stellajigger stellajigger wrote:

crimp a bite leader on the end of the twisty ,make it about 1m long and out of 150-200lb fluoro.
Then you can either put a swivel and a split ring on the end or just tie your popper/stick baits on
Will post of pick as soon as i can.

As above or for twisties made with 60/80 or soft 100 mono, tying a uni to a swivel is fine.  Anything heavier a crimp is required or you can double it back up on itself (Making a short section ie 4 stand twisted a few inches long) finish with a nail knot. (I've never bothered doing this)

I tend to shy away from twisties when using sinking stickbaits as they may stand out more underwater. No worries for the big poppers though and I will go back to using them more around some nasty reefs in New Cal on my next visit. 

ps, Try and keep your bimini's short as they can get hung up the stripper guide when casting, under heavy casting forces this aint pretty...  that's the only negative out of this setup.

Cheers David


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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:02pm

I'll keep tryin to tyin the uni in the lighter stuff. They always seem to look pretty ugly when pulled up with the double strands, maybe I need to tidy the strands a bit before pulling tight, I dunno.

I'll just keep pluggin away till I get something I like.


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Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:15pm
Stella has the twisties sussed and they are pretty tough.
 
FG is real easy though,I just keep practising and have got them to a point where unless fish tie of to the back of my ute and pull like a mother ****er they aint going to find any weakness,and im sure Ginga is using PR for casting aswell as jigging.Im sure you are familiar with PR.


Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:22pm
Yep Pr working for me but also using Fg as well
Have seen some guys using wind ons and biminis as well but they have had a few issues when casting. As Ocean blue said it aint pretty when things go wrong whilst casting.


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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:26pm



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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:27pm
a simple loop to Bimini connection on the other end.

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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:30pm
[QUOTE=Badfish]Whats the abrasion resistance like on 100kg braid? 

The guys who showed me the braid leader have been charter fishing up in Vanuatu and the Coral sea for a long time.
 They reckoned it had better abrasion resistance than mono. It is quite a thick weave compared with the 80lb braid attatched to it.  I would imagine that it would take a bit of a beating?


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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:35pm
no way there off the heads Wacko

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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:46pm
This is one of the guys. The braid can be seen attatched to a piece of mason solid strand nickle alloy, I gather this is typically used when there are wahoo and dogtooth tuna around?



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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:56pm
Interesting ,wouldn't imagine braid having any abrasive resistant s at all.

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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 9:06pm
Its a pretty open weave  braid, and has a lot more strands to break than Mono. Whereas Mono under load would only need a nick, this stuff would need to be repeatedly abraded?

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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 9:42pm
Ryan.. video link on how to make twisted leadersWink

http://www.nomadtackle.com/nsatackle_riggingvid_twisted_%20leaders.htm


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Posted By: Redwaka
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:00am
Helpful video by Nomad guys.

Question though... How tight should the twist be? I made up 10 twisties out of 100lb mono getting an even twist throughout but I varied the degree of twist in each. I notice on Sjs pic his twisty is quite alot tighter than I made mine. Does it mater????

Also what brand/rating swivels for GT setups?

Cheers


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 5:16pm
Cheers for that SJ, looks pretty much as easy as it gets. Will give it a whirl.
I think it was Rod Barron or somebody that posted a vid, thats the method I use, nice and easy.
 
Aaron just give them a bit longer on the drill, thats how I got to get mine tighter. Not sure how much difference it makes but it certainly made the terminal end easier to deal with. But as you can tell, I'm no expert for sure


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Posted By: Ocean Blue
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 8:26pm
Twisted leaders also provide some nice line stretch aswell as abrasion resistance so a medium tight twist is perfect. (I'd call the picture above as tight, and pretty much spot on) As long as the twistie is even so both strands share the weight evenly that is ideal.  Sometimes you have 1 strand straight with the other strand doing all the twisting, or gaps in too lose twists.  Chuck them out and start again. 

Cheers 


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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 1:19am
Here is a twisty trevor made for me. binding done with a pr bobbin but I just use a 6 turn nail knot

my connection to the braid



I use them for jigging and popping


Posted By: Redwaka
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 10:29am
Mozz thats about the same twist rate I have made my leaders at....so if it works for you Im happy. 

For the swivel connection in the first pic, I take it is doubled back on its self?

What brand swivel ? 

Ryan..have you tried twisty leaders for saltwaterfly? I made up a couple and they seem to work well, in theory anyway. Will put to the test in Tonga. Wink



Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 11:33am
the bite leader is doubled back on itself. Cam is obviously way better at them than me(how do you get them that tight) but my ones accounted for a couple of hundred YFT and wahoo so I know they don't **** out. good for jigging too. dont know what brand swivel the one in the pic is... I use N/T 200-500lb swivel's personally


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 3:31pm
I put a crimp on the end of the leader and put it into the drill ,tieing the other end to a fixed object,then spinning the single strand of mono for about a minute and a half ,i then drop the drill go to the centre of the mono and begin to let the mono twist together.
Using Owner #8 400lb swivels,bit of an overkill but hey.


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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2010 at 9:13am
Originally posted by Redwaka Redwaka wrote:

Ryan..have you tried twisty leaders for saltwaterfly? I made up a couple and they seem to work well, in theory anyway. Will put to the test in Tonga. Wink

I did make a couple twisties for SWF, crazy lookin things they are too. Again not sure if I did it right. Did it in thirds with the loop to the flyline being a double of the twist to get 4 strands (cause of small line dia), with a suregons loop down to the usual two strands then a biminin down to one strand which then gets attached to a short bite leader. Not the easiest leader system I've ever tied but a bit of fun on a rainy day. Only used one so far on a mates 12wt for some small kingies but can't wait to put them to the reel test with some poppers to tease some bigger ones up to the flyThumbs Up.

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