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I am interested in peoples opinion on trying to snare a marlin on a stickbait as opposed to trying to hook one? Granted trailing hooks by default allows for hooking the fish, however using material with an intention of it wrapping the bill? What do you think?
 This is not a judgement, merely an inquisitive  mind at work
 
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Hi Jase,
Personally I would rather hook them myself,but I know it is pretty common in other parts of the world to catch sails using a hookless daisy chain type set up that they get caught up in.
A little google search says that a 400lb blue has also been caught like this.
Perhaps two popper/stickbait's connected in-line, the bill gets wrapped between the two?
 
Not sure if the chances of drowning are higher also? guess it depends on what you want to acheive as to whether that matters.
 
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I will be going singles at this stage, for me i think hooking the fish is all part of the whole experience.
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Originally posted by ginga ginga wrote:

I will be going singles at this stage, for me i think hooking the fish is all part of the whole experience.
Thumbs Up Onto it my thoughts exactly Mark, just needs to be scaled up somewhat from the Sailfish we targeted 
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There was an article in one of the latest fishing mags (the GT one) on catching sails and the hooked popper rig they used - two trailing singles and a larger belly hook. Also explained why they use it this way.
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Originally posted by NZTurtle NZTurtle wrote:

There was an article in one of the latest fishing mags (the GT one) on catching sails and the hooked popper rig they used - two trailing singles and a larger belly hook. Also explained why they use it this way.
 
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Ive landed a sail using cotton strands in manzanillo, Mexico It makes one hell of a mess and you end up spending 2 or 3 mins chopping cotton off the bill. Ive got stripes and sails on the stickbaits and that seemed a more effective way of doing it. Watch out getting hooks out of a billfish be it trebbles or swinging singles
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Originally posted by mozz mozz wrote:

Ive landed a sail using cotton strands in manzanillo, Mexico It makes one hell of a mess and you end up spending 2 or 3 mins chopping cotton off the bill. Ive got stripes and sails on the stickbaits and that seemed a more effective way of doing it. Watch out getting hooks out of a billfish be it trebbles or swinging singles


got any pics we can see of these fish there MozzQuestion

great shots there guys,

can we keep this thread going with picks of the lure setups you guys are going to try,
not interested in using cotton and crap like that as I want to hook it up.
  • hook set ups and placement sizes etc would be great to see,
  • leaders, length weight etc
would be very keen to see other ideas etc, have just rigged up a nice sticky I got from Laidbackdood

so will post a pick, unless I put a small skirt on the end hook I wont be IGFA legal but am not concerned with that stuff.
anyways keen to see what you guys over here will be setting up.Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

Originally posted by mozz mozz wrote:

Ive landed a sail using cotton strands in manzanillo, Mexico It makes one hell of a mess and you end up spending 2 or 3 mins chopping cotton off the bill. Ive got stripes and sails on the stickbaits and that seemed a more effective way of doing it. Watch out getting hooks out of a billfish be it trebbles or swinging singles


got any pics we can see of these fish there MozzQuestion

great shots there guys,

can we keep this thread going with picks of the lure setups you guys are going to try,
not interested in using cotton and crap like that as I want to hook it up.
  • hook set ups and placement sizes etc would be great to see,
  • leaders, length weight etc
would be very keen to see other ideas etc, have just rigged up a nice sticky I got from Laidbackdood

so will post a pick, unless I put a small skirt on the end hook I wont be IGFA legal but am not concerned with that stuff.
anyways keen to see what you guys over here will be setting up.Thumbs Up

 
BA, I have been thinking about this since you PM'd me... I think I have an option that you can use and still be IGFA legal when using a popper...I presume you are going to use singles?
 
Hmmm... now on a popper where does the lure end under IGFA ruling? is it the body or the eye for attaching your hook? If you use a split ring the hook would be longer than a hook length away from the lure but if no split ring was used it wouldn't??
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yeah been thinking of it as well, now it says the hook eye cannot protrude or extend beyong the skirt, if I was going to go legal so to speak I was thinking of a small squid skirt attached to the eye of the last loop this way the hook is still on the split ring and covered by the skirt, if that makes sence.
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Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

yeah been thinking of it as well, now it says the hook eye cannot protrude or extend beyong the skirt, if I was going to go legal so to speak I was thinking of a small squid skirt attached to the eye of the last loop this way the hook is still on the split ring and covered by the skirt, if that makes sence.
 
Roger that, sounds like a great way of getting around it. This week I should have a proto made up will post a pic when made... What stickbait are you using?
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its a 4oz S100 i got from Laidback its to nice to get scuffed up
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Originally posted by Bunzo Bunzo wrote:

Legal

 
 Bunzo, your stick bait got herpes on his bottom lip and now it swollen as hell
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Originally posted by Bunzo Bunzo wrote:

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So as long as the connection from the lure to the hook is not longer than the hook length it will be legal??? Damn IGFA head gamesConfused
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Originally posted by Bunzo Bunzo wrote:

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 Bunzo, your stick bait got herpes on his bottom lip and now it swollen as hell
ha ha Jason, you havn't been doing you homework [a Bay thingWink], actually found this 2009 thread.
 
 
RAL, as long as the eye of the hooks are no more than 12in / 30.48cm apart. Assists Hooks are legal but the 'Baker rig' (2 joined belly hooks) is not.
 
This may help, a Rigging Video by Nomad.
 
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but as its a lure the last hook eye is out past the end of the lure, as how the rules state.?
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Only for skirted lures.
 

H.  HOOKS AND LURES

1. When using an artificial lure with a skirt or trailing material, no more than two single hooks may be attached to the line, leader, or trace. The hooks need not be attached separately. The eyes of the hooks must be no less than an overall hook's length (the overall length of the largest hook used) apart and no more than 12 inches (30.48 cm) apart. The only exception is that the point of one hook may be passed through the eye of the other hook. The trailing hook may not extend more than a hook's length beyond the skirt of the lure. A hook may not precede bait, lure or bait/lure combo by more than one hook’s length.. A photograph or sketch showing the hook arrangement must accompany a record application.

2. Gang hooks are permitted when attached to plugs and other artificial lures that are specifically designed for this use. Gang hooks must be free swinging and shall be limited to a maximum of three hooks (single, double, or treble, or a combination of any three). Baits may not be used with gang hooks. A photograph or sketch of the plug or lure must be submitted with record applications.

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You beauty, found this, IGFA clarification on Plugs for 2011.
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arhhhhh haa ok thanks for that mate, certainly clears up my thoughts very well, wont have to worry about a thing
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