This is not a judgement, merely an inquisitive  mind at work

 

Personally I would rather hook them myself,but I know it is pretty common in other parts of the world to catch sails using a hookless daisy chain type set up that they get caught up in.

A little google search says that a 400lb blue has also been caught like this.

Perhaps two popper/stickbait's connected in-line, the bill gets wrapped between the two?

 

Not sure if the chances of drowning are higher also? guess it depends on what you want to acheive as to whether that matters.

 

 Onto it my thoughts exactly Mark, just needs to be scaled up somewhat from the Sailfish we targeted 

 

 

BA, I have been thinking about this since you PM'd me... I think I have an option that you can use and still be IGFA legal when using a popper...I presume you are going to use singles?

 

Hmmm... now on a popper where does the lure end under IGFA ruling? is it the body or the eye for attaching your hook? If you use a split ring the hook would be longer than a hook length away from the lure but if no split ring was used it wouldn't??

 

Roger that, sounds like a great way of getting around it. This week I should have a proto made up will post a pic when made... What stickbait are you using?

Legal

 

 Bunzo, your stick bait got herpes on his bottom lip and now it swollen as hell

 

So as long as the connection from the lure to the hook is not longer than the hook length it will be legal??? Damn IGFA head games

 

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/igfa-rules-rigs-live-baits-baits-lures_topic48322.html - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/igfa-rules-rigs-live-baits-baits-lures_topic48322.html

 

RAL, as long as the eye of the hooks are no more than 12in / 30.48cm apart. Assists Hooks are legal but the 'Baker rig' (2 joined belly hooks) is not.

 

This may help, a Rigging Video by Nomad.

 

http://www.nomadtackle.com/nsatackle_riggingvid_marlin_stickbaits.htm - http://www.nomadtackle.com/nsatackle_riggingvid_marlin_stickbaits.htm

 

H.  HOOKS AND LURES

1. When using an artificial lure with a skirt or trailing material, no more than two single hooks may be attached to the line, leader, or trace. The hooks need not be attached separately. The eyes of the hooks must be no less than an overall hook's length (the overall length of the largest hook used) apart and no more than 12 inches (30.48 cm) apart. The only exception is that the point of one hook may be passed through the eye of the other hook. The trailing hook may not extend more than a hook's length beyond the skirt of the lure. A hook may not precede bait, lure or bait/lure combo by more than one hook’s length.. A photograph or sketch showing the hook arrangement must accompany a record application.

2. Gang hooks are permitted when attached to plugs and other artificial lures that are specifically designed for this use. Gang hooks must be free swinging and shall be limited to a maximum of three hooks (single, double, or treble, or a combination of any three). Baits may not be used with gang hooks. A photograph or sketch of the plug or lure must be submitted with record applications.

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http://game.deepseafishingclub.com.au/files/2010/12/NEWSLETTER-Jan-Feb.pdf - http://game.deepseafishingclub.com.au/files/2010/12/NEWSLETTER-Jan-Feb.pdf

 

Thanks for doing the home work Bunzo!

His advice was to run a two hook system, similar to a Pakula shackle rig, not sure how IGFA legal this would be on a stick bait, anyone got any idea?

 

Not sure they would recognise the catch if one was landed anyway Mark. Do it and ask later

Once we get one on stick bait gonna move onto fly rod

 

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 What I 'll be using to start with.

 The gist of the article is that using 5 xtra strong components: split ring,ball bearing swivel, split ring, hook and solid ring. Tie leader material to the solid ring, ensureing that  the hook faces away from the lure to ensure a clean hook up. It is very similar in principle to the assist hook set up used when jigging.....

Been fishing with an FG knot for jigging and casting and that has been 100% to date.Failure has been while hooked to NZ/Samoa while jigging,in that instance we broke the crimped loop through the thimble!

 

A windon will be very solid but casting performance will be impaired,but that may not be such an issue depending on approach i.e teased fish to back of boat vs casting to a tailing fish or bait school.

 

My thoughts only..

 

1800-2000 sized reel or 6000-6500 with alot (500-600 m)of PE 5-6 or 300 PE8 and a fast boat with a gun at the helm.

50-70 turn Bimini twist to a 3m twisted leader made up of 100lb - 130lb mono, this will aid casting the thicker leader and allow for abraision resistance,it will also in my mind allow for the shock of the strike and subsequent jumps from the lack of stretch in the braid.

Also a bit heavier for leadering..future pate' or getting my lure back

From the twisted leader I would then crimp a single strand bite leader approx 2ft long,mono or fluro whatever but probably 400lb.

I would then crimp direct to a lure using a thimble or maybe a swivel and sturdy 400lb split ring...

 

As for the bait I'm favouring a popper at the momment simply beacuase in the heat of the momment I'm going to have no problems getting it to swim properly and the fish is definitely going to hear it (because it will be inside the 70m radius of opputunitie from the boat ) 

Also I think poppers look like a fleeing baitfish just aswell a stickbait,and provide the same splash that billfish love from trolled lures behind a moving boat currenlty.

 

And there cheaper when it go's pear shaped.

 

In the end its no different to any other sportfish we currently target its just that the fight time may be significantly longer leader fatigue,chaff,etc.,probably in deeper water,more line? (although probably not Ginga) so to me getting the terminal/tackle end right is the trick.

 

 

 

Seems to be a few fish around so fingers crossed it will happen soon.

Hopefully will be having a go myself in a couple of weeks.

Waiting for me

LOL that wouldn"t be a strike... It"s  more appropiately called a tease manouver!!

 This is the rig I have settled on for the stick bait, Owner SJ41 hooks attatched  via heavy jigstar kevlar, the split ring is an Owner 11h. The rear hook has been strapped in place by attacking the stickbait with a chain saw file to make a groove for the docking ring, which still allows some movement in the rear hook, but with minimal interference to the water movement over the rear of the lure, but holds the hook in a position where it can connect cleanly.

The front hook is as described in the most recent sport fishing magazine, by Patrick sebrille. I have wrapped insulation tape around the front hook to stiffen up the cord and have been rubber banding the hook to the belly hook attatchment, again so it sits in a position to hook fish cleanly.

 Both hooks have been bound to the kevlar useing JB60 hollow core braid with as much tension as I can muster out of the PR bobbin, both hooks have been given the added security of a dab of JB glue conditioner then some JB glue, I figured knots would be to bulky and interfere with the lure action too much. I am confidnt these will hold to the drag I can effectively use on the rod and reel combo I have choosen

 Factory rigged the Gillies seemed to skitter and be a bit tail heavy to me, however the addition of the added weight seems to have given the lure a different action whereby it darts and sweeps sub surface now, surface skittering only ocassionally.