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As a relative newbie myself to OH reels for rock fishing, and notwithstanding the softbait craze, a quality overhead jig rod with star drag reel (and a loud clicker) is pretty much the best fun I can think of. I'm using 3 setups:

- Livebaiting: 7' Shimano backbone elite 10-15kg OH with Daiwa SL30SH (10kg nylon and grunty enough fluoro leaders - and a bit of berley in the vicinity - in case a reasonably big dude is present).
- Softbaiting: 7' Pfleuger/Shakespeare with 4kg braid and 20lb fluoro and smelly plastics on light jigheads for flicking into the washes and around the weeds.
- Flashers: Any 13-14' 8-12kg cheapo surfcaster with 8kg nylon for chucking breakout sinkers and strip baited flashers into the predominant current past the foul.
- Sabiki's: On a small handline for livebait catching and to keep kids occupied.

Nothing beats heading out with no bait and going home with tucker in the bucket.
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Re levinlarges pictures,
 
Only joking guys, my english sense of humour is obviously not understood! 
 
By the way I bought  the 2 piece Kilwell rod, gave it a run out tonight at St Heliers and came back with 3 snaps all around 45cm. Put quite a few small ones back.
 
 
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Originally posted by levinlarge1 levinlarge1 wrote:

Or your other option is a Kilwell Jellytip 7ft6 it can cast a big bait a good distance - roughly the same price as the rocky, either the 10-15 or 15-24kg setups around.
 
have to agree right there mate, have 3 of them 2x 15-24s which i run a 6500 with 24 and the other the black jelly tip with a tld 50 the lighter model i dont use, the penn power stick i have one and its great with good lifting power,
 
one thing that suprises me is no one has mentioned the daiwa range, use 2x 80j they are what you call bullet proof no question, however i dont recomend egg beaters on em but they do still work ok, one thing you must remeber if distance is your thing then make sure with the egg beater you get a rod with large eyes as there is less restriction.
 
personally if i was buying again i would not hesitate to buy the kilwell jelly tips have thrashed mine with kings to 26k makos bronzies snaps to 25lb massive mud marlin and god knows what else not bad from the rocks and the best thing i get to use em on my boat as well where i need lift and power you wont beat em.
 
like the shimano gear too but find their rods are very thin in the walls and dont like to be dropped on the rocks, while in the industry have had a fair number really of all makes come back through damage, rock drops certainly kill your rods.
 
reading your orriganal thread you have all the rods you would want for off the rocks i would have put my money into a good reel like the penn ss series or the baitrunner in 6500.
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I have a Daiwa power crest 13ft 3pc which i used to have a GS9 fitted

i dont know much about the history of this rod,which ive owned for 6-7 years. still going strong fished both rocks and surfcasting all i have done is have 3 new guides fitted.

very strong rod with good lifting power,this rod has been used and abused and still has plenty of life left out of all my other rods this would be my favourite
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I have a Daiwa SL30Sh which I have been using when I occasional get to go out on a boat.
 
I took this out to the rocks the other day targeting snapper and hooked up to two kingies and lost both of them. One of the problems was that I didn't want to put too much pressure on the line, being only 10kg. Would like to put 15kg on but wondered if this would be o.k as the manuafacturers manual only stipulates line up to 25lb and line capacity of 235 yards. Also concerned about losing the ability to get a good cast with 15kg line and the line capacity.
 
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Try find another reel for the kings especially if livebaiting.
 
That way you can keep the SL30 with 10kg as a good mulitlpurpose reel.
 
Just my 2cents
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Yeah, I agree its not worth tinkering with but I just thought I might get a bit more use out of it that way but there's not much point in catching kingies on gear not designed for the job.
 
What overhead reels would you recommend other than the entry level reels talked about above?
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TLD25 or SLD30 - cant really go wrong with either of them
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Go the sld30!!!

... im almost over using 10footer rods off the rocks now, only use them for poppers. hardly ever need anything more than 7foot really. But i recon 8Foot is the perfect length, always get power out of them and enough tip action to play the fish nicely.
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Just moved from a shimano beastmaster 10 ft to 8ft6' lime tip and it makes a big difference in both in terms of power and handling fish, I can also still flick out a bait as far as the beastmaster.

I have put the limetip with my 9500 so I can flick out poppers, baits etc. I'm just needing to get a good overhead live bait setup to free up the lime tip which I have been using for live baiting recently, I will have to save the pennies up and use my sl30 until I have enough.
 
By the way I have heard that the sld 30 should be spooled with 24kg line as a staring point, would prefer to stick to 15kg any thoughts?
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it says sld30 for a reason, if it said sld50 then use 24k you can still use 50lb but use the same drag settings as you would for 30 simple then you can train your thumb to do the rest.
there are a heap of reels on trade me now, tlds are a dime a dozen and a tld 15 will do the job very nicely as well.
 
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Originally posted by smellyfingers
<DIV>I have put the limetip with my 9500 so I can flick out poppers, baits etc. I'm just needing to get a good overhead live bait setup to free up the lime tip which I have been using for live baiting recently, I will have to save the pennies up and use my sl30 until I have enough.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>[/QUOTE smellyfingers
I have put the limetip with my 9500 so I can flick out poppers, baits etc. I'm just needing to get a good overhead live bait setup to free up the lime tip which I have been using for live baiting recently, I will have to save the pennies up and use my sl30 until I have enough.
 
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If it were me i'd use the 9500 and limetip as the livebait rig and the SL30 as an alrounder, the 9500 would have more drag pressure than the SL30 would it not. Just a possibility.
 
If it were me i'd use the 9500 and limetip as the livebait rig and the SL30 as an alrounder, the 9500 would have more drag pressure than the SL30 would it not. Just a possibility.
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Yes, I have been doing that but I would like the lime tip for spinning poppers etc, it keeps me active. Also if a kingy takes it I would prefer to have it on the 9500 rather than the sl30 which I have recently been taken to the cleaners on a couple of times. Loads of line out and pinged on the rocks.
 
I suppose I will just have to be patient and fish as you suggest and save up or get lucky on trademe for another setup.
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Gday i fish the takatu up to waipu area land based, i only target snapper as i am in search of 20lber. I use an alvey rockhopper with a kilwell 12ft 8-12kg rod, this thing just keeps tickin has taken many blows to rocks that other reels would crumple into peices, (ie 10m off a cliff onto rocks) has never had a service and has seen more under the water than above. The thing has incedible casting power and i only ever use one 8-9bar hook tied onto 15kg mainline. It cost an arm and a leg but it has paid for its self many times over. I know this reel will last forever, don't know about the rod but that just because of the treatment it receives when it gets pair pressured into coming with me on stratigic  operations during the search of 20lbr. I find it absolutly priceless landing bigger snapper on because once you turn the fish, the brutal 1:1 ratio means that you can crank him in, and although it is hard work battling fish (another reason why I avoid kings) due to the 1:1 ratio, it has resulted in me landing more fish, more quickly (whih is most of the time important) and also more pannies skimming along the surface at pace than you will ever see. anything under 5lb just doesn't know what hits them. I can gaurente that anyone who hasn't tried an alvey, and only wants to catch snapper, and big ones, will be impressed by these excessively large reels that many like my self swear by.
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Kingi lbg rod advice please....
 
I have started looking for a rod for a live bait setup and seen a 8ft 15-24 kg cd rod on tradme me for $200, used but in good condition. Don't know much about these rods but they seem to get good reviews.
 
Would you consider this to be a good buy, and what would you expect to pay for such a rod brand new?
 
 
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Have used the composite developments 15-24kg 8' lbg rod for years smellyfingers they are one serious horse stick.  Used to have three of them liked them so much defenitely not an entry-level rod (think mine were $450 new and they dont make them anymore only the blanks), all my rods are ReelRods customs now.  Defenitely be a good deal if its in good nic (I sold my last one for $250 a month ago to a mate just starting out). 

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Cheers,
 
Thought it was a good deal, have bought it. Now I must get a reel to match up with it. Have had advice to get a tld25 or daiwa sld30, what's your choice/opinion?
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there is a cd rock rod on there now for a mear $50 dam fine buy as well as a tld 50 for $350 dammmmmm
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yeah but watch the prices go up near the end of the auction!
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yeah thats a sweet deal BA

go for the tld25 smelly, that'd be one sick combo! 
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