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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Sam the  knot is the same principal as Stellajigger mentions, but without needing to use a second piece of briad.
After tieing the half hitches, throw a large loop away from the half hitches, ( down along side the mainline) and wrap the tag end 7 times around the mainline and one side of the loop, instead of pulling it up unwrap theside of the loop not  looped over the mainline and then pull tight. It will result in 7 tight wraps with the the line underneath the wraps exiting beside the last half hitch. pull tight and it wont come undone.
 
I prefer to unwrap as opposed to just pulling like a uni as it creates friction and heat which is not good for the braid.
I have used this knot and it has come undone twice.....if you put a dab of maverick bond on it...then i am sure it would stay put...It came undone after casting all day mind.....Just watch out for it mateWink
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Originally posted by KingySlayer KingySlayer wrote:

Cheers for that laid back dude... Just out of curiosity you say the half hitches would tighten up on casting??? WHere exactly was your Knot when casting and what leader do you use?

Personally i have never had an issue with this knot at all... I use Varivas Top Water Leader 130lb and i make sure there is at least 5 wraps of leader around spool when casting so there for no tension on knot under load of rod at cast and have never ever had an issue with knots tightening. Wonder if its the leader material i use as its pretty dam soft with high memory.

If you do a google search on PR vs FG Knot you will see a fishing net thread on the FG vs PR for Topwater. Some very interesting comments there but as this thread states "Windon Leader Issues".

Rainger i hope all this information has helped mate. As you can see alot of opinions on what works best for each individual.
Pretty much doing what you are doing there mate...I use a 4 metre leader for the bricks and boat....maybe i dont get massive distance but i like having the longer leader,,,use the varivas 130 leader  like you do and the one inch pr with the last 3 half hitches done up like you mean them!(PR up and down equally) with a dab of maverick bond....If its good enough for "accident prone",its good enough for me.,,,,been using varivas avani gt pe6.
           I was finding with that finishing knot....it got irritated through the day and would unravel from hitting the guides....not an issue with jigging as you point the rod straight down and then it moves over guides while fighting.
 Just out of curiosity you say the half hitches would tighten up on casting???.......Sorry i didnt say that..................Each to his own mind..........I wonder if different braids are more susceptible to this finishing knot unraveling....I dont know. ....plenty for rainger to think aboutWink.
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Sorry LaidBack i thought as the original question at mind was "why is the leader slowly starting to expose itself after casting" being the issue here and thought you were refering to multiple casts would tighten half hitches or have them or have knot loosen off and pass the bulbed end of leader (went back and re read lol).

Thought i would add this old thread in that was PR vs FG but not trying to take away from what this thread here is about...

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/fg-verses-pr-knots-braid-to-mono-leader_topic55691.html
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Hey Rainger i just had a thought in regards to tight Half Hitches... When i tie these i tie these between my knees (sounds silly but ill explain). Once i have finished my Bobbin Rotations i then wrapp leader around my foot and run this over left knee heading for right knee and then wrap braid around right foot. I do this with knees about a foot apart. Once completed i then push knees apart to apply tension and start tieing. This allows me to have both hands tieing and really focusing attention on getting half hitches in the correct formation. So ill complete one away from me saying oh "TV" then ill say "To Me" then "TV" and so on.

Just thought i would add this in as the PR 101 vids on youtube do not show you this method
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"Just watch out for it mate"
 
Will do.
 
Might add I have 3 popper set ups and live 11 degrees below the equator, and chase the " fish of a thousand casts" I have yet to have any issues with this knot unravelling, on the PE10 PE 6 or PE3 set ups, havent resorted to using superglue or Maverics or UV wader glue to hold the knot together. 7 turns or more is the key.
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Wow, reading that confuses me.
 
The FG is well known for being a dentists freind,I guess this applies to any friction knot where teeth are used to get heaps of tension.
 
As has been said to stop any knot coming undone or loosening the number of turns to finish and tension is the key.The braid should almost change color,or appear waxy with correct tension - well mine do? 
 
 
Unrelated waffle:
 
As for the FG it is my go to for popping and jigging and has been for a good while now..never had a knot failure,even when my jig has anchored me to the sea floor it does not break at the knot.
 
I find the very first half hitch on the FG important in terms of how my know will turn out,this is pulled tight until the braid looks "waxy".
After that I alternate half hitches 5-7 all very tight, not too long or it defeats the purpose of this short casting knot,and IMO is unecessary. (see how much pressure you can put on it with only one half hitch after the inital criss cross action)
 
Then I trim the leader material to about 1cm and bend do the the first half hitch onto the braid is very snug against the leader..then carry on with alternate half hitchs until your ready to finish.
Going bag to the leader tag,I trim shorter and burn it,then flatten it off into a low profile mushroom.
 
I finsh two ways (tying this knot LOL) - the first is doing a big half hitch roudy type knot through itself 5-7 times and gently stroked back onto the half hitches and pulled very,very tight.
The second as is my dear SJ explains using a pieice of thin mono or braid,I use this for fly tieing - I do this way when I am prepping on land or in fairy tale type sea states.
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Originally posted by falco falco wrote:

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Wow, reading that confuses me.
 
The FG is well known for being a dentists freind,I guess this applies to any friction knot where teeth are used to get heaps of tension.
 
As has been said to stop any knot coming undone or loosening the number of turns to finish and tension is the key.The braid should almost change color,or appear waxy with correct tension - well mine do? 
 
 
Unrelated waffle:
 
As for the FG it is my go to for popping and jigging and has been for a good while now..never had a knot failure,even when my jig has anchored me to the sea floor it does not break at the knot.
 
I find the very first half hitch on the FG important in terms of how my know will turn out,this is pulled tight until the braid looks "waxy".
After that I alternate half hitches 5-7 all very tight, not too long or it defeats the purpose of this short casting knot,and IMO is unecessary. (see how much pressure you can put on it with only one half hitch after the inital criss cross action)
 
Then I trim the leader material to about 1cm and bend do the the first half hitch onto the braid is very snug against the leader..then carry on with alternate half hitchs until your ready to finish.
Going bag to the leader tag,I trim shorter and burn it,then flatten it off into a low profile mushroom.
 
I finsh two ways (tying this knot LOL) - the first is doing a big half hitch roudy type knot through itself 5-7 times and gently stroked back onto the half hitches and pulled very,very tight.
The second as is my dear SJ explains using a pieice of thin mono or braid,I use this for fly tieing - I do this way when I am prepping on land or in fairy tale type sea states.
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