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    Posted: 16 May 2013 at 10:23am
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Hi All,

I want to call attention to the proposed  Waiheke Northern Marine Reserve which will extend from Oneroa to Thompsons point. Which is some of the best (and most accessible to landbased fishers) fishing grounds on Waiheke. The chosen area appears to be arbitrary and based more on the main protagonists favourite snorkelling spot, they are now trying to get scientist to validate their choice. The worrying  part is it has the full backing of the local board (with no consultation with their constituents) a prominent local fishing charter operator and as many cause heads and self righteous greenies as you can shake a stick at and they are determined to push it through by the end of the year!

I am not opposed to the existence of marine reserves on waiheke but I am opposed to losing access to fishing spots when access to so much of Waiheke's coast line is unavailable due to private ownership.

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Hmmm:  "This is why the proposed boundaries of the reserve aim to keep access for recreational fisher people to Fishermen's Rock, a traditional favourite spot."
Actually, so is the coastline between Enclosure Bay and Palm Beach.
 
Even though they were our fishing areas when my sons were small, I can see the point of including Enclosure Bay itself and the flat reef off it.
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Hi PJay
Hekerua Bay, Sandy Bay, and Enclosure Bay I could understand it's the area from Palm beach to the tip of Thompsons point that I'm not keen on. why not from te whau point to thumb point that would affect landbased fishermen less and there would be less runoff from houses and road etc which surely affects the fish as much if not more than the impact of local and visiting fishermen (which aren't in huge numbers).

About a year ago in the Gulf news this marine reserve was first put forward in an opinion piece, one of the main reasons put forth in the article for having the marine reserve was that they didn't see and fish when snorkelling... I think the snorkelers ability must be called into question as I have often been able to see large snapper swimming in the shallows, the times when I have snorkeled around past Repo bay I've seen many fish species, and this summer I've heard a couple of reports of large sea horses at enclosure bay.

If protecting fish stocks is the goal why not ban commercial fishing in the Hauraki gulf? and increase the size limit on snapper to 35cm and reduce the bag limit to 6 (six 35cm snapper is enough for any family).

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Yeah, we're having similar goings-on up here in the Bay of Islands.
 
The proponents of the idea to close off all of the possible land-based spots around Russell trot out a line that "there are no big snapper left; these are all kina barrens".  They refuse to believe those of us who regularly are catching snapper of all sizes from tiny to enormous.
 
Nor do they believe that we almost always set free the biggest ones to continue as they are.  We fish, therefore we kill everything seems to be their concept.
 
If the facts do not conform with the theory, they must be disposed of.
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YEP anyone that see's an easy $$$$$$ to be made from having a Marine Reserve in there back yard will push for them...
first thing i read is this statement, UNDERWATER OPPORTUNITY.

they dont give a stuff about anyone else its all about me making money nothing to do with a Marine Reserve at all, the Reserve is just a cover to have a piece of land locked up for themselves to make money from..
the rest of the idoits cant see behind the self righteous dickhead....
 
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Have heard there are plenty of locals who are pissed about this proposal.
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You need to set up another action group to oppose them or at least modify it so it makes some sense to most people who fish.
you will get no-where if you don't have some "weight" behind you.

Now this forum under its political section could very easily perform that role!

worth thinking about
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speechless... have fished that area pretty solid for the last 8 years and have now just moved off the Island.
There's going to be some stiff resistance from alot of local fishos, cant imagine this going thru with out a fightOuch  ...OuchOuchOuch
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Can't imagine it going through without a fight, but sadly, can't imagine it not going through! The facts never get in the way of a marine reserve and as the barrier locals have found even if you win the fight the reserve will just be re-proposed with the boundaries tweeked by a few yards.
The greenies have already won the propaganda war, just look at how the press reported the new Reserve on Banks peninsular as a great win for conservation after a 12 year fight, forgetting to even mention that the reason there was a twelve year fight was because the locals did not support it and it was not needed.
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this is why i think the commercial sector is doing all of us a favor. they are farmers of the sea and it is in there interests and ours that they have these reserves and manage the amount of stock being caught under there management system ,unlike the rec's who think it best to try and take home there limit every time he or she goes fishing.there are plenty of other places you can throw your rod in the water ,so just be thankful for that!
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that a joke plonka????

if the commercial sector combined with the Government weren't so bloody greedy we wouldn't be even thinking about Marine Reserve to help save our fish...  
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Originally posted by plonka plonka wrote:

unlike the rec's who think it best to try and take home there limit every time he or she goes fishing.
 If you believe that, my friend....you will believe anything......
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with a name like plonka what do you expect
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Originally posted by plonka plonka wrote:

this is why i think the commercial sector is doing all of us a favor. they are farmers of the sea and it is in there interests and ours that they have these reserves and manage the amount of stock being caught under there management system ,unlike the rec's who think it best to try and take home there limit every time he or she goes fishing.there are plenty of other places you can throw your rod in the water ,so just be thankful for that!
 
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your right REIVER plonka=troll and is best ignored, would be interesting to look at his other posts though.

Lethal is spot on about UNDERWATER OPPORTUNITY wouldn't be surprised if the "tour operators" turned out to be the same people that started the proposal. and they have the nerve to call rec fishers greedy!

@Moggy - Political section?! amazing what you miss went you don't scroll down aye Embarrassed but a sound idea.. will take some action on that next week.

I think there may be some unexpected allies in the Sandy Bay residents group who have been trying to restrict access to the boat ramp for years (which has lead to some rather heated arguments with boaties). Going by the letters to the editor in this weeks gulf news they'd much rather have the couple of dozen trailer boats per day that the proposed thousands of tourists, scuba operators, kayak hire, and glass bottom boats etc that the proponents of the marine reserve expect to flock to the area.

 
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Oh Onamish best you LOOK at my other posts before you ignore me. .....  You probably dont even know what plonking is? i think conservation is the key to our future .
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Originally posted by onamish onamish wrote:

..........If protecting fish stocks is the goal why not ban commercial fishing in the Hauraki gulf? and increase the size limit on snapper to 35cm and reduce the bag limit to 6 (six 35cm snapper is enough for any family).

Cheers

Actually I would support this, at least for boat fishing, and might even go further. Imagine a commercial free Gulf in 10 years time? That would be a great tourist attraction. Plus some fantastic fishing.

Re the proposal, i don't have any knowledge of the area. I'd be more than happy for a reserve for boat fishos like me - we can go elsewhere easily - but the access for shore-based fishos must be protected (I can't imagine they take much over a year anyway)
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Originally posted by plonka plonka wrote:

Oh Onamish best you LOOK at my other posts before you ignore me. .....  You probably dont even know what plonking is? i think conservation is the key to our future .

I can see you like conservation as your saving cyber space with your lack of fishing reports
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3km  off the west coast between raglan and manukau entrance's  seem to be where the big fish are the moment. Fished east coast a few weeks ago and didnt do to good, but thats fishing

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