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Just bought a Kilwell powerplay Surf 200, 3 piece 14ft, second hand on trademe. 
 
Am having trouble with the join between the bottom and middle sections. Is tighter than a camel's aris in a sandstorm, and I've already got it jammed twice. After wresting them apart the first time I massaged candle wax deep into the male end to lube it up. Then I eased it deep in to the hilt and it really got stuck.
 
 I looked on the net and got some ideas involving boiling water, hair dryers and ice, tried these but the two bits stuck together like rooting dogs. I sprayed silicon spray over the join and left it for a bit but no joy. Then I took the butt plug off, caned down CRC and left it upside down for the CRC to gravitate down and work from the inside. This finally broke the rod apart again.
 
 So now I'm wondering how to make them slide easily in and out. I'd guess that I should probably reduce the girth of the male end, probably by shimming it with fine sandpaper. Then I guess keep the join nicely slick with oil or a similarly slippery substance.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
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A mate of mine swears by rubbing the male end through your hair before assembling the rod as the natural oils act as a lubricant....have to admit that I've never had trouble seperating rods since this.  I'm just worried about my lack of hair!
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well thats an issue-- not really, if put you an ice pack (peas are best)on the top section and use a hair dryer heat up the bottom section and pull apart,also pull off the butt cap on the bottom as this creates suction, this will happen when both sections are wet or when really hot just be careful as the tip section mat split 
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DONT sand anything down.!!

Make sure both sections are really clean and just rub the entire inserted section of the male end with a soft graphite pencil.
Put the rod together a bit until it starts to feel tight and gently rotate the two pieces around a few times .Remove clean and repeat again and you should be done.

Just remember to give the sections a quick rub down with the pencil every now and then.

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should have read the hole post---- may have a split in the ferrel section not a good idea to put silicon on it if and when you get it apart clean it down also use a pencil and rub the lead over the bottom join this helps with sticking-- how old is the rod as Kilwell have a 5 year warranty on them
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Originally posted by Gooner Gooner wrote:

A mate of mine swears by rubbing the male end through your hair before assembling the rod as the natural oils act as a lubricant....have to admit that I've never had trouble seperating rods since this.  I'm just worried about my lack of hair!
Thanks mate, an old coot once told me to rub the male end behind my ear to get the oil.
Don't know about you, but my reducing head hair is fortunately compensated by lush thick growth everywhere else! Should be able to just massage it onto my shoulders to get the same effect!
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This may sound strange but i was shown it by and old guy after having the same problem.
Before putting the two pieces together wipe the outside of you nose (between side of nose and cheek) and rub this on the male end. This is normaly done after a bit of a walk so there is a sweat build up down the side of your nose.
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Originally posted by Yeahnah Yeahnah wrote:

DONT sand anything down.!!

Make sure both sections are really clean and just rub the entire inserted section of the male end with a soft graphite pencil.
Put the rod together a bit until it starts to feel tight and gently rotate the two pieces around a few times .Remove clean and repeat again and you should be done.

Just remember to give the sections a quick rub down with the pencil every now and then.

Thanks mate, was reluctant to sand anything on a $500 + rod. Interesting about the graphite. Will give it a careful clean and try the pencil graphite. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Crazy-Crack Crazy-Crack wrote:

This may sound strange but i was shown it by and old guy after having the same problem.
Before putting the two pieces together wipe the outside of you nose (between side of nose and cheek) and rub this on the male end. This is normaly done after a bit of a walk so there is a sweat build up down the side of your nose.
Yeah, good advice I reckon. We used to polish bone carvings against the nose like this when I studied Te Reo at school. Worked really well, even if you didn't have a particularly oily snout!
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Originally posted by scuzzymoto scuzzymoto wrote:

should have read the hole post---- may have a split in the ferrel section not a good idea to put silicon on it if and when you get it apart clean it down also use a pencil and rub the lead over the bottom join this helps with sticking-- how old is the rod as Kilwell have a 5 year warranty on them
Yeah mate, I can't see any splits, it's in excellent nick. It's only a year old, and I understand Kilwell are extremely cool about honouring their warrantees. Thanks re the pencil. Will give it a go.
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I use vasilene works perfectly no issues at all
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Originally posted by keep on fishing keep on fishing wrote:

I use vasilene works perfectly no issues at all



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hehe ky jelly may work aswell Clap
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put it back on Trademe problem solved Smile
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what I do with mine (although mine is a cheap rod I dont care about) when it jams, is just to use the largest line-guide as a lever and rotate it, once its moved a little it will come apart easily. Been working fine for me for a while now.
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Originally posted by Ahab Ahab wrote:

 
 
the bottom 
 Is tighter than a camel's aris in a sandstorm, and I've already got it jammed twice.
I massaged candle wax deep into the male end to lube it up. 
Then I eased it deep in to the hilt and it really got stuck.
stuck together like rooting dogs.
Then I took the butt plug off,  
I'm wondering how to make them slide easily in and out.
I should probably reduce the girth of the male end, 
 Then I guess keep the join nicely slick with oil or a similarly slippery substance.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
any Thoughts?
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Originally posted by one leg one leg wrote:

put it back on Trademe problem solved Smile
That's my last resort Baz! It's a beautiful rod though, keen to try slidebaiting for kings this weekend.
 
Might get in touch with Kilwell today.
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Originally posted by jaypeegee jaypeegee wrote:

Originally posted by Ahab Ahab wrote:

 
 
the bottom 
 Is tighter than a camel's aris in a sandstorm, and I've already got it jammed twice.
I massaged candle wax deep into the male end to lube it up. 
Then I eased it deep in to the hilt and it really got stuck.
stuck together like rooting dogs.
Then I took the butt plug off,  
I'm wondering how to make them slide easily in and out.
I should probably reduce the girth of the male end, 
 Then I guess keep the join nicely slick with oil or a similarly slippery substance.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
any Thoughts?
Oh Dear...
 
 
 
 
He he, a few unintentional double entendres might have found their way in to that one. I blame whoever started calling them "male" and "female" sections. Plus the 7 beers I'd had before writing the post! Seemed hilarious at the time... 
 
I've had similar problems with metal fly rod joins jamming, but they seem to respond better to oil and wax than graphite rods.
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Kilwell were awesome with a recent rod repair - I was fully prepared to pay the full cost of guides bashed on the rocks, but without even being asked they gave me the guides for free and all I had to pay for was the labour.
 
Big Thumbs Up, I know who I'll be buying my next rod from.
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