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Hey guys
Was looking for some advice on what set ups you use for both soft baiting and some jigging.

At the moment I have a couple of cheaper soft bait setups that I use for jigging as well.
I don't fish in water over 50m and my tackle box includes inchiku jigs 40-80g, kaburas to 40- 80g and some of kaveman micro jigs between 30 &40g
I also regularly fish soft baits mainly using 1/4 & 1/2 ounce jig heads.

I am looking for a spinning setup that will enable me to use both jigs and micro jigs effectively and a setup THAT WILL LAST.

I currently use 4000 size reels but was maybe looking to down size to say 2500 so was just wondering what setups you guys use and recommend for my uses, line weight and brands are also welcome.

The most important thing and is why I am upgrading up to $500 is because of how well the reels stand up to the salt water as I found the cheaper reels don't offer much resistance to the wetter conditions so the better seals on the reels is a major factor

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If you want fully sealed in a 2500/4000 size then you need to go over $500. 

My Stradic FJ isn't sealed, though I use it on a dinghy a lot, and on teardown never see evidence of water inside. I've coated all the internals with a wipe of grease in case. 

Anyway I use a Stradic FC with 5kg fireline (breaks at 7.5kg) and an Abu Velocity 2-5kg (discontinued though you can still pick up the odd one) very good combo.


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HI Youngblood,

If you haven't already, you may find it useful to read the current thread about advice on a reel to match with an Ocean Angler Microwave rod in this forum. Some good ideas from the likes of Uncle, and others.
There's a bit of discussion about the mag-sealed Daiwa reels, and how to get hold of one at a fraction of the price you pay here in NZ. I've been doing some research and you can get a slightly older model Daiwa Caldia from Japan for about NZ$260 (on Digitaka.com). Otto's Tackle World in Sydney has some great prices on pre-2016 models of the Caldia as well.

That would leave you a decent whack to spend on the rod.

Remember another fact you'll see mentioned on this forum that Daiwa model size numbers are different from Shimano etc. So a 3000 Daiwa = 4000 Shimano; 2500 Daiwa = 3000 Shimano. There are some strong Shimano and Daiwa camps on the forum, that's for sure! Others like Okuma and Penn.

From what i've seen on the forum, many of the gurus favour smaller and lighter reels for soft baiting and light lure work (2500 Daiwa, 3000 the rest). That's consistent with some of the well known fishing mag writers. See Makka's recent post on the 'Reel for OA Microwave' thread.

Those same gurus also favour light braid - say 10-15lb stated breaking strain. The two big sellers seem to be Berkley Fireline Exceed, and Sufix 832. 

In terms of a rod, there is a strong school of thought (with Mark Kitteridge being the key advocate) for long rods for soft baiting, edging towards 8 foot, rather than 7ft. Longer cast, better line control (see some of the comments in the OA rod thread). I sense a long rod may, however, be a disadvantage with jigging, which seems to be more vertical than angled. If you want a long rod, Top Catch has the Ocean Angler Microwave for $200 (online only special). 
i imagine the quality of components - such as guides, reel seat etc - has a big say in a rod's longevity (along with how you transport the rod at sea and in a vehicle!). Fuji seems to be a decent benchmark for quality components.
But again, there are plenty of fans on the forum for cheaper rods such as the Shimano Catana.

have fun making your choice!
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PS. one last point.

Some of the cheaper rods are 'composites' rather than full graphite.
E.g. many of the Shimano combos feature the Backbone Elite series, which Shimano describes as being "high quality composite blanks". Whereas I've had fishing shop staff members in two of the top chains tell me they are 100% graphite. 
Composites are more forgiving in terms of fragility in small boats.
The 7 ft Okuma X Factor soft bait rod is a composite (e-glass and graphite, I believe) that is very popular and cheap. Quite a bendy action, which seems to be favoured for jigging, given the small hooks etc.

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I have a Shimano StradicCi4 4000 and although it is only a year old it certainly appears to be built well. Cheaper reels often have die cast gears, they will let you down eventually. A 4000 size is probably bigger than you need for snapper fishing as you you really only need 6 to 10lb braid, as we have to deal with a lot of sharks at times I chose a larger reel. Mine is matched to a Diawa Coastal inchiku rod which is a nice little rod but I don't think they are available now. I do own a Catana but I don't particularly rate it, although they are fairly forgiving.
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FYI Youngblood, the reliable Aussie website Anglers Warehouse - based out of a shop at Tweed Heads - has the Ci4 Stradics for A$199 at the moment (the 3000 and the 4000) which seems like a great price. Take off 10% GST for international sales, add back the exchange rate diff, and it works out about NZ$200 for the reel. Then you pay a flat A$18 3-day courier. 

The likes of Marine Deals have the Ci4s for a much higher NZ$299, which is claimed to be $80 off. So again, you can find an overseas internet deal that could leave you plenty for your chosen rod. With nearly $300 to play with, you're almost at Offshore Illusion price range.

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Originally posted by The Tamure Kid The Tamure Kid wrote:

FYI Youngblood, the reliable Aussie website Anglers Warehouse - based out of a shop at Tweed Heads - has the Ci4 Stradics for A$199 at the moment (the 3000 and the 4000) which seems like a great price. Take off 10% GST for international sales, add back the exchange rate diff, and it works out about NZ$200 for the reel. Then you pay a flat A$18 3-day courier. 

The likes of Marine Deals have the Ci4s for a much higher NZ$299, which is claimed to be $80 off. So again, you can find an overseas internet deal that could leave you plenty for your chosen rod. With nearly $300 to play with, you're almost at Offshore Illusion price range.


Shimano NZ carries 10 years warrenty and the CI4+ only the old model is only $250 at YEEHAA fishing tackle.
the new 2016 model has just arrived at our shop last week.
Size 1000. 2500. 3000 and 4000


 



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No guarantee you wouldn't be pinged with GST upon import to NZ. 

The major downside to Daiwa's magseal is that you can not self service. The magseal will break down over time, and will need to be serviced by Daiwa in NZ. Also the magseal won't keep out sand, so no playing on the beach. 

For those reasons, I'd give the nod to Shimano in the mid range price bracket, unless you really need that combination of free spinning water sealing. I much prefer to have a Stradic knowing I can take it down in 20minutes. It's really not hard to do in this age of youtube. Find a teardown video and follow it. 




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You're sending people down the wrong alley re your statement on GST, OneWay!

The threshold for GST to be charged on a single non-business importation is goods to the value of NZ$400 - because any amount payable under NZ$60 is waived.

So it requires a quick check of ballpark exhange rates and a calculator to ensure you're not going to get hit.

Don't take my word for it, read for yourself on the NZ Customs website: http://www.whatsmyduty.org.nz/whats-my-duty

"If the amount to be paid to Customs is under $60, this will be waived, but if it’s $60 or more, you’ll have to pay any duty and GST plus an Import Entry Transaction Fee and MPI levy."




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and Mr Yeehaa,

I understand from your website that you have the certification to do a Daiwa mag seal service - you do not have to send reels away.

The mag seal servicing drama subject has cropped up a bit on various threads about reel choices, where Daiwa fans are challenged by Shimano fans.

Your website page on servicing states you charge $40 for a normal spin reel service, and $50 for baitrunners. And $70 for a 'Saltiga Mag Seal service'. 

For those of us who are in the market for a spin reel and trying to make sense of the debate and comments by the likes of OWT, please post here what a mag seal service costs for say, a Caldia or Certate 2500.

That would be much appreciated by those of us who aren't DIY when it comes to reel servicing, other than basic care. We'll be able to make an informed choice.

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Thanks for that tkk. I had an idea that gst or not would depend on value but was not sure where the cutoff applies. Still worth considering for reels over $400.

The extra cost of a mag seal service would be a major issue for me. $70 vs nada. If you pay for services then it evens out some as the mag seal might not need as much servicing.

Also I was under the impression that daiwa don't share their magseal or sell it so only certain places/agents could service their higher end reels. Would be interested just how many shops in nz could do that, or if they just ship them to daiwa. Suspect it's the latter.
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The way I look at magseal is that if it craps out, your still no worse off than a standard reel.
That said I have fished my mag seal reels pretty hard for over 2 years and they still feel like they did the day they came out of the box, not been serviced yet.
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A standard unsealed reel. Most magseal reels are priced to compete with sealed reels. In fairness I suspect the magseal would rarely go wrong for it's predicted life expectancy.
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Wasn't there talk that they were canning the GST waiver and all imports would have to pay?
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Isn't the mag seal just something to do with the drag? Or does it seal the whole reel?
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Don't forget mag seal oil has a shelf life of 5 years. So from the day the oil is in the reel the clock is ticking on your mag oil. 
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Originally posted by YeeHaa YeeHaa wrote:

Originally posted by The Tamure Kid The Tamure Kid wrote:

FYI Youngblood, the reliable Aussie website Anglers Warehouse - based out of a shop at Tweed Heads - has the Ci4 Stradics for A$199 at the moment (the 3000 and the 4000) which seems like a great price. Take off 10% GST for international sales, add back the exchange rate diff, and it works out about NZ$200 for the reel. Then you pay a flat A$18 3-day courier. 

The likes of Marine Deals have the Ci4s for a much higher NZ$299, which is claimed to be $80 off. So again, you can find an overseas internet deal that could leave you plenty for your chosen rod. With nearly $300 to play with, you're almost at Offshore Illusion price range.


Shimano NZ carries 10 years warrenty and the CI4+ only the old model is only $250 at YEEHAA fishing tackle.
the new 2016 model has just arrived at our shop last week.
Size 1000. 2500. 3000 and 4000


 


 
What are these new models going for Yeehaa? It'll be a toss up between these or a clash next pay. I'm sure the daiwa kit is mean but I like to do my own maintenance.
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OneWay, all good. I only had a vague idea of the threshold until I brought in some clothing from the US that converted to over the NZ$400 mark - even with GST and the other charges, the clothing was a good deal, but I felt a bit stupid and quickly got up to speed on the rules. Now I make damn sure I'm not in the ballpark. As you say, it rules out the top end reels, but I'm in the mid range anyway.

As someone else mentioned, there has been a signal from the government that they're keen to get their hands on the slice of the pie they are missing out on and will revamp the rules. Retailers here are pushing for it too, but nothing set in stone yet.

And I totally get it re the servicing cost. I wish I had skills in that area, but sadly not. I'm prepared to pay because I'd rather leave it to the experts than have a reel that was never the same after I pulled it apart and put something back in backwards!
As per my other post, Yeehaa announced a while ago that it is authorised by Daiwa to do the mag seal service on site, but hopefully we'll hear that from the horses mouth, and the cost, in reply to my question.

In the $200-300 reel range, I'd read reviews and forum threads for Africa and was about to pull the trigger on a Stradic FK until I had second thoughts after reading some of the raves about the Caldia and realising i could get one from overseas for the top end of my budget. But then the mag seal debate came up and I'm keen to get some answers before making a final call.

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The first time I pulled apart a reel I had no idea what I was doing. Fortunately it was one of Shimano's lowest end reels and stuffed from salt anyway. It really isn't hard to do on a standard spinning reel once you have a little experience. I may post a walkthrough on the forums for my Stradic FJ the next time I pull it apart. There are some videos on Youtube, and alanhawk is a good reference. Alantani's website has detailed breakdown threads on all types of reels, mainly overheads but spinners too. Just about the only reel I am still afraid to open is my Thunnus. Over twice the part count.

The other advantage of doing that is that I got to see first hand the benefits of my Stradic over my Symetre in terms of components, and I removed the auto bail trip from my reel. Never use that anyway. 




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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Isn't the mag seal just something to do with the drag? Or does it seal the whole reel?

Magseal is a catch all term for using little magnets to hold a specially magnetised oil in position where it acts as a seal. I think it can be used to seal bearings, shafts, whatever. It can be used anywhere a rubber seal can be, but with nearly zero friction. No point in using it places where friction is not an issue. Can't see the benefit in reducing friction on a drag myself. 
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