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The Marlborough Sounds has something like this being pushed around ....

Te Tau Ihu Forum Working Group Report recommendations to government:

1) Recognition and inclusion of Te Tau Ihu iwi Deeds of Settlement Acts and entitlements, and Treaty rights and interests.

2) Protection of Maori customary practices, customary non-commercial and commercial fishing rights of Te Tau Ihu iwi.

3) Compensation for loss of iwi commercial fishing opportunities.

4) Monitoring and recording of all fish harvested by recreational fishing boats, which includes chartered fishing vessels.

5) A requirement for chartered fishing vessels to purchase quota to operate in the Marlborough Sounds.

6) Te Tau Ihu iwi representation on the advisory group to manage the proposed recreational fishing park.

7) Provision in the boundary of the recreational fishing park for mataitai to be enacted under the new Marine Protected Areas legislation.

8) The Marlborough Sounds Recreational Fishing Park to have a term of 10 years with a right of renewal for a further 10 years.


Establishment of Mataitai Reserves What is a mataitai reserve? Mataitai reserves are areas where the tangata whenua manage all noncommercial fishing by making bylaws. The bylaws must apply equally to all individuals. mataitai reserves may only be applied for over traditional fishing grounds and must be areas of special significance to the tangata whenua. Generally there is no commercial fishing within mataitai reserves. Who can apply for a mataitai reserve? Only tangata whenua, or Tangata Kaitiaki/Tiaki nominated by tangata whenua, can apply for a mataitai reserve in any part of their rohe moana. Any disputes over the status of tangata whenua or Tangata Kaitiaki/Tiaki must be resolved before a mataitai reserve application is lodged. Who must be consulted on a mataitai reserve proposal? When a mataitai reserve application is received, the Minister must publicly notify the application twice in a newspaper circulating in the area of the proposed reserve. The Minister must also call for written submissions on the application from the local community in that area. After the closing date for submissions, the Minister must call a meeting near the proposed mataitai reserve. The local community must be consulted together by the tangata whenua and the Ministry of Fisheries. The regulations define local community as people who own land in the proximity of the proposed mataitai reserve, or people that have been resident in the area for at least three months in the preceding three years. The tangata whenua may amend their application following consultation with the local community. Do fishers have the right to make submissions on mataitai reserve proposals? Yes. After consulting the local community and learning of any changes that the tangata whenua have made to the application, the Minister must advertise the application and call for submissions from persons who own quota or fish, either commercially or as amateurs, in the area of the proposed mataitai reserve. The Ministry of Fisheries will decide which newspapers are used to notify a mataitai reserve. The Ministry will need to ensure that all interested parties are properly informed of the proposal. What happens if concerns are raised about a mataitai reserve proposal? If the Minister of Fisheries has concerns regarding a mataitai reserve proposal, these issues can be discussed with the applicants before the Minister makes a final decision. The tangata whenua and the Minister may wish to agree on conditions for the mataitai reserve in order to address issues raised in any submissions. This will increase the likelihood of mataitai reserve proposals meeting the necessary criteria, gaining final approval and being effective. 


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don't you just love it, all these years some of us have been jumped on swore about have no idea what we are talking about,
F^*kin shame on you.u know who you are.
there got it off my chest, THANKS!

thanks Kevin,

yes it goes even further than this,
there are lots of dodgy deals as well, National President is one that comes to mind, why would he rocket off to Japan and sell part of his shares to someone when he has no interest in them, but still purchased them as he was a friend,
that happened the next day the Archimedes paper was made public," just asking"

LIE'S, DIVERSION,, CRIMINALS, TAX EVASION, SO MUCH BULL **** too many people involved, they are worse than a DRUG GANG,
yet not one will ever go to court.

     
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I have to disagree with just about everything you say in the posts above. It seems that your sources have been exaggerating.

We are calling for a commission of inquiry into the QMS and why it has failed to deliver the stewardship they claimed it would.  Time this Government showed some leadership (other than unilaterally creating the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary). 
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John - I very much doubt you will see a commission of inquiry into the QMS as the government is quite obviously actively involved in hiding the realities of the QMS from the public. For them to allow a commission they would need to set the terms of reference incredibly narrow to avoid exposing themselves and I doubt they will take the risk.

What would be interesting would be for a mass media outlet of some sort to use our fisheries management examples to show that the government is incompetent/corrupt, with the focus on the incompetence and potential corruption rather than the fisheries itself. There is a mass of stuff now in the public arena that would be hugely embarrassing if it was all pulled together into a cohesive story. Much wider public interest in that than just the fishery itself. Get that story together properly and then you might get your commission
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John H.. I will copy what I posted and remind you of my statement at a later date when it becomes more public...Im sure Scott knows what Im talking about 
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Shot Lethal, so lets all pull together and do something to help.
 
Before anyone starts pointing the finger I do send a monthly payment to Legasea  in the hope we get a united voice rather than a divided one.
 
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Currently, there’s a scheme being executed to gain control of the Hauraki Gulf and its surrounds. It’ll give a few from 26 tribal groups incredible power over a massive and very critical 4,000km² body of water (from near Mangawhai in the North down to Waihi in the south, and beyond Great Barrier Island to the east), along with the significant land catchments bordering the entire eastern coast of Auckland, the extensive Hauraki Plains, the entire Coromandel Peninsula, and the many islands of the Gulf.
Who will be affected by this? Think shipping, the Port of Auckland, aquacultural farms, commercial or recreational fishing, ferries, tourism, leisure, sport, every marina, ramp, buoy or mooring, and landowners – possibly even commercial air space, bridges and roads. And if there’s not enough money coming from these sources to fill the iwi coffers, there are always the defenceless ratepayers of Auckland City to squeeze a bit more from.
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Since 2000, the Gulf has been managed by the Hauraki Gulf Forum with Auckland Council as its administering authority. Its board includes Ministry bureaucrats, elected representatives of all the region’s councils, plus 6 self-nominated tribal representatives appointed by the Minister of Conservation.
Unsurprisingly, there has been gross dysfunction in the Forum. In his 2015 report, management consultant Dr Nigel Bradly put it down to the “inability or unwillingness of members to act as a ‘political peer group’…….the mismatch of willingness, understanding and expectations of members is at the heart of the failure of the Forum to promote the objectives of the Act.”
This highlights the obvious − a fundamental conflict inherent in having elected representatives (some of whom are working in the public’s best interests, i.e. for the region’s environmental and economic health) and those of appointed, totally self-serving parties wanting to increase their power and wealth.
Lack of Due Process

To rid the Forum of its pesky conscientious objectors, a purposely selected team was tasked with coming up with a new governance model – one which would prioritise the tribes’ financial interests in fishing and pursuit of treaty settlements over the Gulf’s many harbours.
On 20th June 2016, the ensuing Report was tabled at the regular meeting. Despite its 83 pages and the serious implications therein (or perhaps due to), Chairman John Tregidga (Mayor of Hauraki District Council) and Deputy Chair Liane Ngamane ignored due process and tried to get the Report’s recommendations accepted on the spot.
The meeting, apparently, became rather acrimonious when some expressed concern at this attempt to shove the recommendations through. Understandably, they wished to have it reviewed by their respective organisations and obtain a mandate before voting. The inevitable claims of “racism” were made.
Obstacles Simply Eliminated

There’s no suggestion that principles of democracy, good governance or working in the best interests of the entire regional population formed any part of the Report’s recommendations. They require that:
The Forum be based on co-governance, with equal numbers of mana whenua (i.e. people from the 26 tribal so-called “authorities over the land”) and others.
The tribes appoint their eight representative members via whatever methodology their leaders deem appropriate.
The other, non-tribal side of the “partnership” represent the close-on 2 million regional citizens with −
5 members (not Crown representatives) appointed by the Minister of Conservation (who would be guided by the advice of iwi-centric bureaucrats).
3 members appointed by the local authorities (Auckland Council, Waikato Regional Council and the territorial authorities collectively).
Each term would be for 3 years with the ability to reappoint as desired.
The Forum would gain statutory authority (i.e. be authorised to enact legislation over the Gulf).
This reads more like an aggressive takeover than a democratic solution focussed on what’s best for New Zealanders

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Assuming all the above is correct,and it seems it is then we are seeing an asset ,marine land grab by a confederation of officials with the backing of our so called democratic -elected government.

Sounds like Communism -Socialism is flourishing in N.Z.

They are both the same.
Communism is the taking of assets and peoples freedom at the point of a gun.
Socialism is to achieve the same via the vote.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Assuming all the above is correct,and it seems it is then we are seeing an asset ,marine land grab by a confederation of officials with the backing of our so called democratic -elected government.

Sounds like Communism -Socialism is flourishing in N.Z.

They are both the same.
Communism is the taking of assets and peoples freedom at the point of a gun.
Socialism is to achieve the same via the vote.


This is what happens when you give a document "partnership" status when that was never its intention. Then throw the term "co-governance" around and to rub salt into the wound the co-governance parties are subsidized by the tax/rate payer who effectively lose 50% of any say yet pay nearly if not 100% of the costs. Effectively the co-governor's siphon of revenue while paying for nothing. Add to this mix gutless liberal culturally sensitive/scared, business friendly politicians, both central and local and this is the result. Good huh.
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Mowerman sadly I agree with what you are saying as I have heard this as well. Interesting times ahead for the Hauraki Gulf, and this will only be a pre-cursor for roll out throughout the whole of NZ if it goes smoothly.
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Sadly to say our fisheries is wrapped in this...the current sna1 proposals are interwoven ..I know for a fact there are some very unsavory characters involved .
But the short of it..your being sold out
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Originally posted by Marligator Marligator wrote:

Mowerman sadly I agree with what you are saying as I have heard this as well. Interesting times ahead for the Hauraki Gulf, and this will only be a pre-cursor for roll out throughout the whole of NZ if it goes smoothly.
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My understanding of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park Act is that they have no legislative "teeth".  So they hoped that having a consensus Sea Change Plan would be the catalyst for The Minister of Primary Industries or Minister of Conservation to take action.

Changing fisheries regulations is still under the Fisheries Act 1996. It has its own duty to consult.  Maybe Councils can do something under the Resource Management Act on seabed impacts.  No doubt we can have this conversation when the plan is released.
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Remember what Everlyn? said John,local authority is the starting place.they have a duty or right to make sure our enviroment/seabed is protected.(something close to that.)
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They do not spend millions running around having meetings and consulting for nothing...They are here for a reason...
There recommendations will be put to council and the will be adopted and made into laws.No ifs or buts about it.
Some people are have got vested interests in this..IWI..Waitangi settlement claims...it will happen...It's happening. Time for everyone to open their eyes.
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There 2 that i know of involved in the sea change group who should be standing up against this,maybe they are i have not seen any report where they have commented on.
John H ,after the talk that Dr Daniel Pauly gave along with Evelyn Pinkerton has there been a follow up on what action to take against the Auckland council as far enviromental issues regarding the seabed?Remember Evelyn won the battle for a free swimming salmon in a river inB.C for the native indians.

Why are local IWI being quite??
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

There 2 that i know of involved in the sea change group who should be standing up against this,maybe they are i have not seen any report where they have commented on.
John H ,after the talk that Dr Daniel Pauly gave along with Evelyn Pinkerton has there been a follow up on what action to take against the Auckland council as far enviromental issues regarding the seabed?Remember Evelyn won the battle for a free swimming salmon in a river inB.C for the native indians.

Why are local IWI being quite??

That's interesting comment Paul . About Local iwi being so quiet..But in behind the scenes there is much disfunction and dissatisfaction and ongoing conflict over Mooks Honneck Waitangi treaty money's spent on pet projects and of course the development at TeAri. Fishing matters I have ever spoken about to a few but they would most likely get banned in here.Sand extraction royalties .Money taken off Ngati Manuhiri by Ngatiwai and spent outside the local iwi area .It's a huge complex issue .
Not everyone is computer literate and there are a lot of older folks.Trying to unite and progress issues forward is difficult.

Talking only about Ngati Manuhiri Iwi only here.
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