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It is beyond belief these two are the best the US can scrape up as POTUS, but by crikey it is close. So, who do you folks pick?
Personally, I go for Clinton, if only because she is less likely to wreck to world in a fit of pique than The Donald.
Anyone else got any thoughts? What are the rammifications for NZ either way?
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The thought of Trump winning scares me. The guy appears to be a complete narcissistic nutcase. Clinton may not be the best other choice, but really it is a case of abadt (anybody but a Donald Trump. You really have to ask yourself what is so badly wrong with US society that they ended with these 2 as their choices. 

I reckon that there is a huge underlying issue facing all the Western world at this time. It is called 'out of control immigration'. The Brits voted to leave the EU over this and Trump could get elected over it. Countries all over Europe are closing their borders as much as they legally can and the refugees fleeing northern Africa are creating massive political and societal issues as a result.  The Aussies are trying to shut their borders as well, and we in NZ have a massive issue with lack of infrastructure because our borders are so open. Racial tensions are only going to get worse as we go on like this. Immigration moving faster than integration and assimilation is a very scary thing, but whilst our current government think there is a buck in it they will keep plowing on. A bit like our fishing really.
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Yeah its about people numbers equaling profit in the long term for big buisness. Key knows it too its all long term planning for his buddies. 

Yeah Clinton for me. Trump condemns himself every time he opens his mouth. 
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Trump scares me too.
At very best his opening speech would be "America your fired"
Trump is a showman-little more. His election would bring regret just like Brexit.

Election of Trump could  lead to economic collapse and ww3 according to some commentators

He has said he may not support NATO as the U.S supports NATO now. NATO would be weakened.

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I think Trump would not be good for the likes of us. Who is the lesser of two evils, I don't know.
As for Clinton, she is a war mungering b###h just like Obama and Bush and hopefully she spends many years in jail for her crimes. They control the media and feed the people of America lies and propaganda. Intent on running their gas pipe through Syria no matter the cost to civilians.
Neither Clinton or Trump are fit for the job. But if I had to vote, I'd vote Trump.
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totally agree Capt A.

It almost felt like Trump entered as a ploy to raise his profile, or for a bit of a laugh. At first I doubted he actually believed the rubbish he was spouting. like I imagined him coming off stage and saying to his cronies 'can you believe they bought that?'. But then he started to gain traction, and the lack of a credible opponent in the Republican movement became obvious. Quite staggering, given the size of the place.  Particularly how many of the supposed top candidates fall out of the race due to marital infidelity or some other issue.

then you've got Clinton, who unbelievably stayed with Bill all those years, despite the affairs and whatever, but obviously was playing some kind of long-term deal with Bill and his mates to further her own political ambitions. Hard to not get elected when up against someone as divisive as Trump, but the saga with the emails etc is costing her.

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Trump is a buffoon, but at least he's honest enough to say exactly what he thinks. Clinton is a lying, thoroughly evil piece of work. The US stands a much higher chance of being at war with Russia with her in charge. She stands for the ruling elite and will shaft ordinary Americans at every chance. If it wasn't for her power and influence she'd be in prison by now.

How, out of a country of millions, it came down to these two is a mystery.

I've said for a long time it will be trump, the polls are wrong because there are a lot of Americans planning to vote for him that don't want to admit it.
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Trump is a buffoon, but at least he's honest enough to say exactly what he thinks. Clinton is a lying, thoroughly evil piece of work.

Have you actually listened to Trump?? As far as I can work out he can't open his mouth without either lying or trying to twist the truth. He has made countless statements that are just complete fabrications that he has invented to try and confuse people or take the heat off his other seriously scary moments when he has confessed to what he really thinks. Scary, scary man.
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Trump is a buffoon, but at least he's honest enough to say exactly what he thinks. Clinton is a lying, thoroughly evil piece of work.

Have you actually listened to Trump?? As far as I can work out he can't open his mouth without either lying or trying to twist the truth. He has made countless statements that are just complete fabrications that he has invented to try and confuse people or take the heat off his other seriously scary moments when he has confessed to what he really thinks. Scary, scary man.

We all know he's lying BUT he's telling the average American what they want to hear. He has realised that the average Joe is buying rhetoric and that's what he's giving them - and they're the ones that will count, not us unfortunately.
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Reminds me of a long ago election.. Barry Goldwater think it was.. not as bad as Trump thu.
Same sort of lead into election day, then on the day got wiped badly.
Hopefully the Yanks have enough sense to do so again.
In saying that, one has to question the Yanks "sense"  to even put forward / vote such a candidate in the 1st place beggars belief...And that is what worries me...

How to upset a Yank.. Tell them to look up yank in the dictionary... then tell them not to, knowing they will not take any notice of that anyway....
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One thing about this, while it's been interesting to watch from a distance I don't think I'd like to be in the position of deciding which of those two were to be the next president.  Do they have a "none of the above" box in a presidential election?
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I don't think I'd like to be in the position of deciding which of those two were to be the next president.

 Simple .. which one scares u the most? 
 And the scary thing, those who do vote like that , tend to vote someone else.... or not at all.... which results in the worst of the 2 evils winning.
 Which in some ways is how Hitler got voted in
 
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

The thought of Trump winning scares me. The guy appears to be a complete narcissistic nutcase. Clinton may not be the best other choice, but really it is a case of abadt (anybody but a Donald Trump. You really have to ask yourself what is so badly wrong with US society that they ended with these 2 as their choices. 

I reckon that there is a huge underlying issue facing all the Western world at this time. It is called 'out of control immigration'. The Brits voted to leave the EU over this and Trump could get elected over it. Countries all over Europe are closing their borders as much as they legally can and the refugees fleeing northern Africa are creating massive political and societal issues as a result.  The Aussies are trying to shut their borders as well, and we in NZ have a massive issue with lack of infrastructure because our borders are so open. Racial tensions are only going to get worse as we go on like this. Immigration moving faster than integration and assimilation is a very scary thing, but whilst our current government think there is a buck in it they will keep plowing on. A bit like our fishing really.


"You really have to ask yourself what is so badly wrong with US society that they ended with these 2 as their choices". Disillusionment with the status quo. Legislation that lets the rich get richer, in other words corporate welfare, the attacks on the middle class to pay for this corporate welfare, the way banks, finance companies and big business have control over the Government and its purse strings et al. That is how the Don got there. He is talking the talk. However I believe he is a total hypocrite and narcissist. The same thing is happening in NZ and around the world. Hence the low voter turn outs in elections and things like Brexit. The worm is starting to turn. There is too much of the worlds wealth/resources in too few hands. For the worm to turn fully, this is not enough. There will unfortunately be violence. History repeating itself. yet again.
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Originally posted by kitno kitno wrote:

I think Trump would not be good for the likes of us. Who is the lesser of two evils, I don't know.
As for Clinton, she is a war mungering b###h just like Obama and Bush and hopefully she spends many years in jail for her crimes. They control the media and feed the people of America lies and propaganda. Intent on running their gas pipe through Syria no matter the cost to civilians.
Neither Clinton or Trump are fit for the job. But if I had to vote, I'd vote Trump.
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Obama has been gutless. All talk and no action. Hence the sabre rattling from Putin.
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

One thing about this, while it's been interesting to watch from a distance I don't think I'd like to be in the position of deciding which of those two were to be the next president.  Do they have a "none of the above" box in a presidential election?


I think I heard somewhere that they have the option of putting someone else's name on their ballot if they do not want to vote for those listed. Could be wrong. Probably am. .
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You can put whatever you like on a voting slip. It won't matter in the slightest, unless you tick Trump or Clinton. Then again a vote for Trump in a safe Democratic state won't matter at all (think California), likewise a vote for Clinton in Alabama. 

I haven't met either of the two personally, but one thing that comes to me is that not many who have actually met Hillary have bad things to say about her. That is not true of Trump. 


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Hillary is going to pick a scrap with Russia by all accounts over Syria ,creating a no fly zone...Russia has combat aircraft on the ground there and in use... 
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I think it is telling that previous republican presidents have said they intend to vote for Clinton......
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