It is beyond belief these two are the best the US can scrape up as POTUS, but by crikey it is close. So, who do you folks pick?
Personally, I go for Clinton, if only because she is less likely to wreck to world in a fit of pique than The Donald.
Anyone else got any thoughts? What are the rammifications for NZ either way?

Yeah its about people numbers equaling profit in the long term for big buisness. Key knows it too its all long term planning for his buddies. 

Trump !!!!

totally agree Capt A.

Kevin.S wrote: Trump is a buffoon, but at least he's honest enough to say exactly what he thinks. Clinton is a lying, thoroughly evil piece of work.

Reminds me of a long ago election.. Barry Goldwater think it was.. not as bad as Trump thu.
Same sort of lead into election day, then on the day got wiped badly.
Hopefully the Yanks have enough sense to do so again.
In saying that, one has to question the Yanks "sense"  to even put forward / vote such a candidate in the 1st place beggars belief...And that is what worries me...

How to upset a Yank.. Tell them to look up yank in the dictionary... then tell them not to, knowing they will not take any notice of that anyway....

Yeah, the libertarians.

Tagit wrote: The thought of Trump winning scares me. The guy appears to be a complete narcissistic nutcase. Clinton may not be the best other choice, but really it is a case of abadt (anybody but a Donald Trump. You really have to ask yourself what is so badly wrong with US society that they ended with these 2 as their choices.  I reckon that there is a huge underlying issue facing all the Western world at this time. It is called 'out of control immigration'. The Brits voted to leave the EU over this and Trump could get elected over it. Countries all over Europe are closing their borders as much as they legally can and the refugees fleeing northern Africa are creating massive political and societal issues as a result.  The Aussies are trying to shut their borders as well, and we in NZ have a massive issue with lack of infrastructure because our borders are so open. Racial tensions are only going to get worse as we go on like this. Immigration moving faster than integration and assimilation is a very scary thing, but whilst our current government think there is a buck in it they will keep plowing on. A bit like our fishing really.

"You really have to ask yourself what is so badly wrong with US society that they ended with these 2 as their choices". Disillusionment with the status quo. Legislation that lets the rich get richer, in other words corporate welfare, the attacks on the middle class to pay for this corporate welfare, the way banks, finance companies and big business have control over the Government and its purse strings et al. That is how the Don got there. He is talking the talk. However I believe he is a total hypocrite and narcissist. The same thing is happening in NZ and around the world. Hence the low voter turn outs in elections and things like Brexit. The worm is starting to turn. There is too much of the worlds wealth/resources in too few hands. For the worm to turn fully, this is not enough. There will unfortunately be violence. History repeating itself. yet again.

Kevin.S wrote: One thing about this, while it's been interesting to watch from a distance I don't think I'd like to be in the position of deciding which of those two were to be the next president.  Do they have a "none of the above" box in a presidential election?

I think I heard somewhere that they have the option of putting someone else's name on their ballot if they do not want to vote for those listed. Could be wrong. Probably am. .

Hillary is going to pick a scrap with Russia by all accounts over Syria ,creating a no fly zone...Russia has combat aircraft on the ground there and in use...