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Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

https://legasea.co.nz/news/latest-updates/
Read that but nothing of any substance. Its like they are afraid to make a political stance and ruffle feathers.
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I think they've made their opinion clear. Not much else they can do, they're just a pressure group. 
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Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

I think they've made their opinion clear. Not much else they can do, they're just a pressure group. 
Having just read all 94 pages from 10/2/12 to present. NO change or gains have been made in the recc sector. Trawlers still free to operate in set boundaries. Only change is or is coming land all catch. Snapper have rebounded slightly but demise of other stock is noticeable.

Seems a lot of public//corporate funds raised  to keep the old boy network alive. Yes there is a need for advocacy groups but should they not be asking supporters or the recc sector what you and I actually want,not just what the NZSFC agrees too?

With aprox 600 thousand recc fishers in NZ would it not be better to form a political party or align themselves with a party to make progress. Yes we  still have the ongoing battle over what Seachange agreed too but not implimented due to being over ridden by Govt/Mpi. This is where alignment could/should be pushing agreed issues. At the moment you have a outsider pushing a minority group needs/wants with no substance or representation at Govt level.

Seems to me still playing the blame game reccs v comms without consulting, sitting at the table define areas/boundaries both parties can agree too and present to Govt.Hey look we are in agreeent how about signing it off? I know one of the sticking points is nil catch reporting by reccs,dont have a problem reporting catch or mortality rates.

The Hauraki gulf maritime park was formed over 24 yrs ago still no change.
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Originally posted by mowerman mowerman wrote:

I'm thinking Takutai Moana Act will give them the power, 3 patrol boats have been brought by Ngati Manuhiri for the Hauraki Gulf ...

This is the start of it

https://www.teaomaori.news/ngati-manuhiri-patrol-hauraki-gulf-christmas
Got talking to fisheries about  Ngati Manuhiri wanting to be fishery officers,at the boat show .todate they have not been trained or certified because they only want to patrol area as difined, from Mangawai to mokes to gt barrier to little barrier and outside of kawau back to pakiri.

To be  fishery officers they need to be patrol where asked,any area,any time etc lot more complex than I thought.
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Just finished reading the latest article by Sam Woolford at Legasea on "Baitfish"  Claiming the fish are being scooped up by the ton and sold overseas for a few $$.  But he doesnt say how much we buy as bait or import from Madagascar .Pilchards imported by the tonne and sold here in NZ as bait,is it a case of "not in my backyard"??   
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Many wonder here what my problem is with Legasea.   Well 4 days ago they posted a article about Will Fransen survival when he fell from the Betty G.

Hear how Will, dressed in a hat, t-shirt, and jandals, struggled to stay afloat for 23 hours. Despite losing his jandals and watch, he managed to keep his hat on throughout the ordeal. 

He had his watch on thats what caught the attention of the 3 fisherman.

Then they dispute the findings of milky fish by NIWA with a rather silly comment.

There is never completely agreed upon science, even gravity is still just a theory until better theory comes along. Science should be questioned, it would be a failure to not question the limitations or lack of coverage provided by FNZ in their press releases and report. Sure, some past climate perturbations may have had some effect but the point here is we can’t ignore that the symptoms seen in affected fish have been attributed to chronic malnutrition, yet the loss of naturally occurring mussel beds and collapsed scallops which would have provided food directly and through spat, overallocated baitfish species and destructive fishing methods have not been mentioned as a contributing factor that needs to be addressed.


Catching fish in mussel farm (snapper no milky flesh) yet gurnard have it,so how can it be malnutrion??What about the pollution constanly pooring from our water ways. Easier to blame comms as they seen and poluution will cost billions to fix(too hard basket)
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chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/62775-FAR-202425-Distribution-and-potential-causes-of-milky-fleshed-snapper-in-SNA-1


Makes good reading and surprise who they got a lot of info from.
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Once again "legasea" posting what they achieved.Pity about not being truthful.Wasnt Legasea it was optio4 that had a win/lose/draw.

- Kahawai Legal Challenge: Successfully fought in court to protect the public’s right to fish for kahawai, resulting in a landmark legal victory that ensured the allocation of this important species to recreational fishers over commercial interests.

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Essentially one and the same Paul. Option 4 and the kahawai legal challenge morphed into the organisation we know today as Legasea. It operates as the recreational advocacy arm of the NZ Sportfishing Council as is essentially the only group of people focused on ensuring recreational fishers have their voice heard, our fisheries are enhanced and our marine environment looked after.

The old option 4 site needs to be redirected to The Legasea site - I'll let them know.
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Maybe so Grant.But in the eyes of the court papers it's not Legasea who filed the case.So option4 stands. Can please tell me exactly what Legasea had achieved for the good of recreational fishers. Might of submitted 250 missions but that does not mean progress.

Found the answer not Legasea nor option4 but New Zealand Big Game Fishing lodged the case.

  

Recently read they need 100k to set up a free fish head app plenty of Facebook pages offering same for free.Better to spend $$ elsewhere .
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Hey Paul,

Just some food for thought for you. The Legasea team are the only organised group of dedicated people who are holding the ministerial bureaucrats to account as far as I'm aware.

While I'm sure none of them would claim to be perfect they are doing their utmost (including providing significant personal funding - thank you Scott McIndoe) to ensure that recreational fishers needs are considered when decisions are being made. The countless submissions submissions, presentations and presence on working groups is testament to that. Progress isn't black or white ink and more often it's a compromise on harvest quantities or methods for a better long term result. The Fish Care and Kai Iki projects are good examples of progress.

It's easy to be a keyboard critic and by all means have your say but I'd suggest they deserve our support and encouragement.
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

Hey Paul,

Just some food for thought for you. The Legasea team are the only organised group of dedicated people who are holding the ministerial bureaucrats to account as far as I'm aware.

While I'm sure none of them would claim to be perfect they are doing their utmost (including providing significant personal funding - thank you Scott McIndoe) to ensure that recreational fishers needs are considered when decisions are being made. The countless submissions submissions, presentations and presence on working groups is testament to that. Progress isn't black or white ink and more often it's a compromise on harvest quantities or methods for a better long term result. The Fish Care and Kai Iki projects are good examples of progress.

It's easy to be a keyboard critic and by all means have your say but I'd suggest they deserve our support and encouragement.
The Kai Ika programme is excellent. But when some engage with them via facebook posts and you have a different opinion they are quick to ban you,yet the commercial sectopr can say what they like and legasea engages with them.. The AK branch would get a lot more support if they took a leaf out of legasea hawkes bay. They seem to be able to engage with commercial regarding what areas commercial will leave alone as recc only area., Seems to be working. Unfortunatly Auckland has this attitude "our science is correct" and not prepared to work commercial.

What is so wrong about compulsary recc reporting catch via app etc??  Legasea are dead against it for some reason. We are a unknown figure for catch or release rates. 
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Legasea is one organisation/one team so there's no "Auckland branch" Paul. Good that you agree they've kicked a goal in Hawkes Bay.

There's some good evidence from overseas where recreational catch self-reporting was proven to be seriously flawed (participation, under-reporting, and the cost of enforcement would be significant and those costs would be passed back to rec fishers) - I'll see if I can find the details of the study.

The science  behind NIWA surveys was pretty solid and stood up to fairly rigorous analysis. We did an investigative piece on them it at some point - I think it was written by John Eichelsheim or Sam Mossman but I'd need to track that down as well.
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Pretty sure the case for self reporting has been answered already - its scientifically flawed, the recent findings of cameras on boats shows massive under reporting on commercial vessels - https://www.fishing.net.nz/fishing-news/cameras-reveal-mass-underreporting-by-commercial-fishing-industry/ ;  'The reported volume of fish discarded has increased by almost 50%.' 
Where ever people have a vested interest they are likely to record numbers that reflect that interest, recs and comms. The NIWA data collection is independent and cross referenced (between 2 methods) and come out as almost the same. Its recognised as being scientifically robust and accurate - so why would you want a different method when this one already works & is proven?  https://legasea.co.nz/2017/04/05/feasibility-of-reporting-recreational-catch/ ;
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The Niwa survey,fly over a few yrs ago,counted vessels on water whether fishing or not. We just have to agree to disagree on catch reporting but not reporting really leaves the question open as to how much reccs take,particularly in the inner gulf. I know myself,where possible will take limit of snapper ,no high grading. Trying to think of when I last did a ramp survey,might be over 10yrs ago,been inspect by fisheries more often,on and off the water ,both east and manukau harbour.

Read the piece awhile ago by Sam Mossman and he basically confirmed what I thought about releasing and barotrauma so only release under 30cm,legal it stays.
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