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Topic: LegaSea
Posted By: deacs
Subject: LegaSea
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 1:28pm
Just read the weekly ITM show newsletter and in it was a bit about a new LegaSea organisation.

So what are they about?
How are they going to help recreational fishers?
How are they going to help maintain fish stocks? and our ability to fish them?

how do they differ from our current recreational fishing organisation/s?

Do you think they will be successful?

I have only had a quick read but no doubt some one on here will be far more up to date with their aims and how they may be able to help give the recreational fisherman a voice

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 2:23pm

To me it feels like a fresh approach in a smart package that should appeal to all sorts of people prepared to help promote more fish in the water and a healthy marine environment.  It’s a Kiwi solution to the perennial problem of sustainable funding to have a stronger voice in management decisions and allocation of marine space. 

It is run by an established organisation, NZ Sport Fishing which has been recognised by SPARC as a national sporting organisation, and an idea like LeaSea needs someone with a track record and clear accountabilities.  For too long the burden of funding professional help for rec organisations has fallen on the 59 fishing clubs. -

There are plenty of projects that would make a difference


Example: Work on the next Snapper One (East Northland, Hauraki Gulf, Bay of Plenty) stock assessment model has started.  All the decisions on model inputs will be made by the Northern Inshore Working Group.  As we found with Kahawai the model results go a long way toward forming the management options available.  Fishing Industry and ToKM have their own scientists at the meetings to “advise” the Ministry of Fisheries.  I have represented NZ Sportfishing Council at these meetings for the last 12 years.  NIWA do a good job of the modelling and stay impartial but there is a hell of a lot riding on a tweak of an estimate here and there.  I’m encouraged by the approach made at the start but some extra, paid help on the technical stuff would be a great help.  Tarakihi and Trevally are next for stock assessments.


Believe me, I am not touting for more work - but more help.


Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 4:51pm
Johns right,
There are groups out there doing the work, but LegaSea is a funding tool to get dolloars behind the NZSFC's fisheries management, advocacy & education arms.
I understand its a way of being involved without having to be a member of anything.
The message is - if you want to help build on / secure our rights, put your money where your mouth is.


Posted By: smellsfishy
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 8:10pm
Legasea is the name of my boat, so your forum name grabbed my attention. No idea about the organisation, but the vessel is  lean mean fish hunting machine :)

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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 1:07pm
Yeah there is a few people using LegaSea.  Was such a good fit for this group it was hard to go past.
You should hear more about this LegaSea soon, only launched 2 days ago, and one of these cool decals would look great on your boat. -  

Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2012 at 11:29pm
Looks bloody awesome these guys..

Spread the word. I'm actually thinking of doing a monthly payment of 20 bucks for a year. Seriously.

It's worth that much to me to have fish in the ocean. 240 bucks fuel one day, bugger all fish..... Or 240 bucks to these guys could be the start of a new era, where there is fish to catch, and less money spent on fuel to find them.

Could actually make you money back many times over.

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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 8:13am
Thanks Plow.  Great enthusiasm. Pass it on.
Also Derrick @ NZFisher. He knows better than anyone how much work is required to get real change for rec fishers and representation.
Reminds me of a quote.  These men are in the arena...

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat because they live in that grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.."

Theodore Roosevelt "Citizenship in a Republic,"

Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910 -  

Posted By: Southern_Jez
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 8:31am
I'll be ordering a t-shirt and hat when I get my credit card back in order ... quite like that design ... a NZ fishing related design without using snapper or kingfish, must be a first :)

Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 12:18pm
Legasea's credibility will build if it has clearly defined action plans focussing on clear and present issues that really currently exist. It will need to stay away from addressing issues that have yet to happen, because they will become even more hidings to nowhere. I'd like to see a specific set of Legasea's CURRENT objectives and their current projects and future planned projects along with SPECIFIC deliverable(s) for each project before I sign-up.
I've read the website, and the objectives under the vison are too vague and broad reaching to be manageble.
We need to move away from this emotive idea of fish for the future, identify what exactly needs to be done right now, and set up plans for how those issues will be tackled. If that doesn't happen then even more funds will be wasted trying to solve problems that don't currently exist. The Kahawai legal challenge is an example of that.
The Quota management system, whilst not the greatest tool in the world, has brought the Hauraki Gulf Snapper population back to what it is today. It's also proof that once a species gets to the brink it can be managed back and is arguably easier to do so because all stakeholders agree the problem exists. It came about as a solution to a clear and present issue that everybody agreed existed.


Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 1:59pm
You are right that there will need to provide specific and tracable odjectives, deliverables and summary of results for LegaSea to prove its worth.  At this stage its an bit Chicken and Egg - resources and results, which comes first?
I have helped a bit with this project and the main project team were close to burn out after the launch last week getting all the content and functionality into the Website, merchandise, displays, then the Launch.  The detailed content will be up on the website in the next few weeks. A couple of current projects I have been working on with help from the LegaSea team and NZSFC are:
The Snapper one stock assessment.  I attended the MFish Northern Inshore Technical Working meeting in Wellington on 24 January.  Experience tells us that it is really important for rec fishers to be represented at the ground floor for these models and not just accept the result at the end.  Also really helpful when writing submissions.   The question of what the target biomass for snapper one is really important and will have to be made by stakeholders and MFish  (not science working group). We will be working toward a target of 40% virgin biomass for snapper one.  My report from the meeting goes to NZ Sport Fishing Council Management Committee but the terms of reference for Working group meetings prevents these from going into general distribution.
The other area I have started on is preparing for a review of the billfish regulations.  A meeting is planned by MFish in the next couple of months to discuss the industry demand to be able to retain for sale dead striped marlin. NZ Sport Fishing Council want all marlin caught on NZ commercial vessels to be returned to the sea including fish caught outside the 200 nmile zone.  This closes a current loop hole. 

Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 9:15pm
Got the window decal, going on the car when can.  Brilliant idea.  Glad someone else is willing to do the hard yards

Si ego cado is est non terminus

Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 11:37am
now i can leave something for the next generation
my lagacy will be
my gifts to Legasea

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trolling one knot faster, one degree off course, is where we should have been yesterday? or !

Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:04pm
$50 donated a while back from me to help the work on our behalf by the Legasea team.  Thumbs Up


Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 7:46pm
Originally posted by Southern_Jez Southern_Jez wrote:

I'll be ordering a t-shirt and hat when I get my credit card back in order ... quite like that design ... a NZ fishing related design without using snapper or kingfish, must be a first :)

yeah me too.. im getting ready to kit myself out.

proudly too.  Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 7:55pm
Brand/logo looked awesome on NZ Fishing today...awesome!

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Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

 The question of what the target biomass for snapper one is really important and will have to be made by stakeholders and MFish  (not science working group). We will be working toward a target of 40% virgin biomass for snapper one. 

This is a really good SPECIFIC target, getting specific defines the goal and gives people something to aim for..

awesome stuff.

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Posted By: tiri4
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 1:16pm
There's been some great points made in this thread.

The need for accurate problem definition and well directed action plans. History is littered with examples of poor advocacy caused by the failure to direct action to the actual problem. However I wouldn't include the Kahawai Legal Challenge in that Category.

The problem arising from the 1994/5 Kahawai decisions was that the rights of the fishing public were unclear, and in respect of Kahawai appeared to be treated as a proportion of a depleted fishery. The Courts were asked to clarify the situation, and did so.  Today, thanks to this challenge, the public rights are well defined and understood, and on review the Minister decided to manage the Kahawai stocks at unusually high levels to benefit the public. Repeated characterization of the Kahawai Legal Challenge as a failure does nothing for the wellbeing of the fishing public, at any level, and I'm at a loss to understand the attacks.

Lifting biomass targets for other species through advocating modification to the Harvest Strategy Standard to better reflect contemporary science is another example of action directed at a defined problem. The point at which a stock is considered growth overfished is now plainly wrong.

I appreciate any and all efforts that are directed at benefitting the fishing public, and as with the Westpac Helicopter, don't wait for an audited review of efficiency an effectiveness before contributing, preferring to accept benefits will flow from the service.

LegaSea needs similar support to deliver comforting definable outcomes and relies on a generous spirit from an interested public that would like to see their grandchildren inherit a healthy, abundant, and accessible marine environment. Get aboard and help make a difference! 

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 10:05pm
We have a project proposal for a Yellowfin Tuna project for the NZ Marine Research Foundation. -  
Also interseted to see a new wesite for cooperation on tuna and billfish management in the SW Pacific at -  

Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 10:11pm
Well I've donated.

Any of you other fullas donated anything? Just wondering if it's still just a good idea for many people or if you've actually done anything.

Do it now fullas, then hit the sack tonight knowing you've done your bit for your kids and grandkids, so they can be inspired by the thought of going fishing, just like you do.

There will be prizes for anyone who can tell me what the 7 dollars is about.  ;-)


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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2012 at 9:52pm
I just donated $40 , and feel that all those anglers who care about fishing in the future and are interested in helping the recreational sector get good representation and advocacy for their rights should also make a donantion.

Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2012 at 5:53am
Surely there must be other people who have joined up in the last few days, it is all for a very good cause.

Posted By: beerbatter
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2012 at 2:22pm
I'm in for the whole family $60.

In the rat race, even if you win, you're still a rat.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2012 at 9:52pm
There are more sharks around in the last couple of years.
Bronzies can be a real pain when fishing for kingfish over summer.
The Mako amd Blue Shark numbers are starting to rebuild.  I think they got a pasting in the early 2000s when there were 150 domestic longliners tripping over each other out there. Just shows that they are slow to come back after getting fished down.
It is time NZ stopped killing large sharks just for a few kg of fins.

Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 8:13pm
I've paid up...happy to sit on my arse and have someone else fight for my rights to fish....go legasea

Knockers - need I say more.....

Posted By: Wide Load
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 9:26pm
I'm on boardThumbs Up

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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2012 at 11:19pm
It's great to see some of the people on here signing up. We had Kaye from LegaSea give a quick talk about what LegaSea is all about at our Ladies tournament prize giving on Sunday night which was well received.

Posted By: Grovo
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 1:18pm

Yep, I'm in. Chicken feed compared to what most of use spend on bait/burley/softbaits/gear/gas etc.

And now I can get on my high horse asnd say why hasn't everyone on here got in? How many thousand members?

Posted By: daveo
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 9:46am
Would be great to see how its all going at legsea, How much has been raised and how many people have joined.
Keep up the great work guys!

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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 11:47am
There is a Public Meeting to launch Legasea in Northland
At Whangarei Deepsea Anglers Club, Tutukaka
On Saturday 31 March at 2:30 pm.
Would expect a progresss report  on - there.
There has been enthusiastic support from alot of people, not a tidal wave as yet, but we can all do a bit to help get the word out. Come and see what it is about and meet some of the team at Tut's.

Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 12:25pm
Is that Saturday the 31st, or Sunday the 1st?

Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 12:31pm
Saturday 31st

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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 12:51pm
Got it now thanks Kevin

Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 4:22pm

Been in a while... keep up the good work LegaSea, glad somebody knows where to start! Clap

Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

There is a Public Meeting to launch Legasea in Northland
At Whangarei Deep Sea Anglers Club, Tutukaka
On Saturday 31 March at 2:30 pm.
There will be a brief introduction, a video, a bit on the purpose and goals.  All up not too long.
Then there will then be a chance to discuss issues around the stands. Including these and more:
ADVOCACY  Why did the Minister increase the NZ commercial catch of southern bluefin tuna by 90% in 2012. What can we do about this ... industry first attidude.
RESEARCH  Where is the northern snapper stock assessment at now and what will it mean for you.
EDUCATION  Ideas for a best practice guide for handling and storing fish. 
working TOGETHER  The latest developments and lessons from the Hokianga Accord.  In the Pacific GreenPeace action to SaveOurTuna.
Tell us what your priority is.  Join us on -

Posted By: JB
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2012 at 7:43pm
Hi. Good luck with the cause. Took the kids fishing the other day and thought who is looking after their future fishing interests. Decide to drop a Hundy to the cause which I've just done.

One idea, if you look around at most of the successful not for profit organization they all have 3 things in common ( apart from a good cause). 1:a national week or day used to raise profile, finance and momentum. 2: between 2 or 3 high profile personal as the public face. 3: a national sponsor
Obviously would be great to have 3 in place early on in the piece but a great start would be the first 2. I for one would love to see a national fisho's day. Just a few ideas and I'm sure good ideas are happening in the backgrond

Best of luck
Regards jb

Posted By: Getting jiggy with it
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2012 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

There is a Public Meeting to launch Legasea in Northland
At Whangarei Deep Sea Anglers Club, Tutukaka
On Saturday 31 March at 2:30 pm.
There will be a brief introduction, a video, a bit on the purpose and goals.  All up not too long.
Then there will then be a chance to discuss issues around the stands. Including these and more:
ADVOCACY  Why did the Minister increase the NZ commercial catch of southern bluefin tuna by 90% in 2012. What can we do about this ... industry first attidude.
RESEARCH  Where is the northern snapper stock assessment at now and what will it mean for you.
EDUCATION  Ideas for a best practice guide for handling and storing fish. 
working TOGETHER  The latest developments and lessons from the Hokianga Accord.  In the Pacific GreenPeace action to SaveOurTuna.
Tell us what your priority is.  Join us on -
Im thinking you guys should get some of the Tui's girls to join the cause or at least go to the functions.

I'm what Willis was talking about

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2012 at 8:17pm

An encouraging turnout today at Tutukaka for the Northland launch of LegaSea.  Interested people from Houhora to Mangawhai.  Plenty of new faces.  About 70-80 people all up. Great to see the President of the Sport Fishing Council Mark Conner, from Ashley in Canterbury.

The question has been asked about number of supporters to date.  The answer as of last week was about 500.  The maths is not as simple as you think, as there are family members and donations, so we can’t just divide a number by $20 or use the number of names on the data base.

Today at Tuts we signed up another 25 people with more saying they sign up on line. -  

We sold about $1500 in shirts, hats and decals. It seems that people will wear the logo with pride. And big ups to the Warkworth Gamefishing Club who donated $500. 

For those that are receptive, the message is getting through.  A little bit contributed by a lot of people makes a big difference. A quarterly report on fisheries management engagement is on its way. 

John H

Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2012 at 9:04am
If your based in the Waikato you can come down to the Waikato Sportfishing Club at 131 Grantham Street at 7:30 on Tuesday April 17th to find out fow your self.
Scott Macindoe will be coming  down to tell us all about Legasea, what they're planning to do and what you can do to help. They'll be bringing all their merchandise so  make sure you bring your checque books.


Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 6:25pm
Well done Bob
I hear there was a good turnout to the LegaSea meeting in the Wiakato.
Next stop the NZ Softbait Fishing Championship in Coromandel. Good luck with the fishing and the weather.
A quick update
- The new Snapper stock assessment gets discussed at a working group meeting in Auckland on monday 30 April.  NIWA have worked hard to run the models requested, but it may take a bit of time to really understand the results.  NZ Sport Fishing is saying that rather than rushing into management changes this year it is better to spend more time testing the results and wait until we get a chance to discuss management objectives.
- The Tarakihi stock assessment model was not accepted by the working group.  They tried to combine some east coast North Is and South Island areas and even with some fish allowed to shift areas the model struugled.  Very few adult fish in the trawl catch east of the SI, seems like they are getting a thrashing.
- Trying to push for assessement and management of Trevally (North Cape to Runaway) at the Rec forum meetings.  We thought it was a priority but seems to be slipping.  Working group have accepted as possible index of abundance from aerial sightings data from the BOP back to the mid 1980s.  Shows a steady decline.  Could mean a review of management next year.
- Also a 2 day meeting in Wellington next week will review all the plenary reports for inshore stocks.
No rest for rec fishing rep.s
A bit of help would be nice.  Click on - and join up.
Catch us at the Boat Show 3rd week of May  Stand #194
John H

Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:09pm
I would like to donate so how do I go about doing so.
Probably instructions listed here already but if so must have missed them.
Also reckon such a worthwhile cause deserves a "Sticky" thread of its' own.

When you cry, feel pain or sadness, no one notices your sorrow .... BUT
fart just ONE time !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:32pm
Thanks Bazza
Go to -  if you want to use a credit card
or ring Trish at a reasonable hour on 09 8186205  if you want to make other arrangements.
Sticky sounds good to me.  There is a bit going on this time of year and one of the Legasea Stars is shooting off soon to Norway.  Thanks Kaye for you vision and drive.

Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:54pm
That was easy ..... all done.

When you cry, feel pain or sadness, no one notices your sorrow .... BUT
fart just ONE time !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 9:51pm

Thanks Bazza


Well last week was strange. 


Looks like snapper stocks in the BOP are in trouble, while they may have started to increase, it still may rock the boat later this year. 

A major re-write of the tarakihi report, but without a good handle on how abundance has changed and a better idea of where the older fish go, management on the east coast of the North and South Is has stalled. 

The number and size of trevally surface schools has been declining for many years.  The investigation of available data has finally been accepted but there will be no review of trevally stocks this year. 

However, the challenges that we may face later this year may surprise.

Support -   and become part of the solution.

 John H

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 10:38pm
I was shocked and saddened to see the Item on TV3 showing a live basking shark no the trawl deck of the Oyang 77. They had ripped the tail right off trying to winch it back over the side.
The high grading and dumping of quota species I suspected happens quite a bit BUT 40 or 50 tonnes a week! from one vessel. -
They have to put 2 NZ observers on every Foreign boat fishing in our waters and charge teh companies for the service.  The Quota System has disconnected quota ownership from the people who catch the fish. Rent seeking behaviour from quota owners that want the least cost catching method.
And it is not just deep water. Already high powered (NZ) trawlers are coming further inshore and are out competing local commercial fishers for tarakihi, snapper and gurnard. Sweeping huge areas from East cape to Wellington, sieving it through a 4" diamond mesh codend and legally dumping all the undersized fish that won't squeeze thru.  World Leading Fisheries Management System  my ass.
Who's going to blow the wHistle on them.  The Ministry for Primary Industries ?  The fishing companies  ?  Maori who lease most of their quota?? Don't think so.  All have a huge stake in promoting the virtues of quota system.
I guess its up to You and Me and -    
We do need your support.

Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 2:56am
give it back to NZ to do is all i can say, we need the jobs, its time this thing was settled once and for all...
it is total bulls--t that our fish/our boats/our workers are locked out of this mega rip off by the owners of this quota...
give it back to NZers to look after, it bloody belongs to us anyway...

Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing

Posted By: Tugster
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 2:56pm
Just a heads up, there's going to be follow up article on tonight's 3News to the piece they ran last night about selective fish dumping, here's the online article to the first story: -

They've used some of the footage we shot for the ITM Fishing Show of Snapper being dumped in the Hauraki Gulf last Spring, it's enough to make the blood boil what some of these mongrels are getting away with.

Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 6:39pm
they should take the quotas back and sell them to owner operator fishing boats

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 7:52pm
I think they could lose their quota if convicted of a major offence. But now fishers don't have to buy or lease quota, they buy a one off annual catch entitlement (ACE).
The whole premise behind the Quota System was that if you owned the catching right for now and in the future, then you would have an incentive to look after the resource.  Because if you stuffed the fishery  you would only devalue the catching right. 
It all falls down though if you have chartered boats with low wage crews with no real understanding of the rules or why they are there.  Even the NZ fishing corporates make decisions on short term thinking and pressure to grow profit for shareholders.
There needs to checks and balances in the system.  In my veiw free market trading of all fishing rights will not give the best management outcomes, just greater control to the major players.
Sooner than you think we will need a strong voice for the non-commercial fishing public.
John H

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:46pm
Just read a really funny article from Professional Skipper Mag. Cheers Keith.

Amatuer Fishing into the Quota Management System? by Lea Clough. If you have some idea of how the commercial fishers were shoe horned into quotas - don't miss it.

The LegaSea stand at thios weks Boat show is in the Hauraki Fishing Hall 1, stand 194 any day. 

Great team there to tell you what it is about.

John H

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 9:31pm
Some great comments in this thread so worth kicking it back up, rather than starting again.
Thanks to all those on-board with the goal of more fish in the water for future generations.
There will be a quarterly progress report sent to LegaSea supporters soon.
We have had our resources streached a bit lately, but have enlisted some great people that have got their shoulder to the wheel Bringing Back the Bite to advocay and research.
The report card is out on snapper (plenary report 2012). Assessed as "is trying but good do a lot better. Grade D"
Our Reps have been at all the stock assessment meetings and there is still work to do on the model but more importantly we could produce more fish from SNA1 (North Cape to Runaway) if we rebuilt stocks further.
Age and growth for kingfish has been established (Ministry funded).  Stocks in coastal waters lack middle aged fish. Have they have been caught or moved offshore?  NZ Sport Fishing Council and Legasea has supported ongoing monitoring of kingfish catch in the Bay of Islands that suggests that good numbers of 7 and 8 year olds are around and staying inshore.
Report on kahawai age and growth funded by the Ministy measured the rapid return of kahawai to the Hauraki Gulf. 
Inshore Fisheries Plan has a top priority to assessing trevally stocks next year.
NZ Marine Reseach Foundation has produced a report on the decline of yellowfin tuna in NZ and possible causes from fishing in the wider Pacific.  The NZ Ministry will table a summary of this paper at the next meeting of the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission.
NZ striped marlin catch rates from the recreational fishery (Billfish Logbook Scheme) will be used for a fisheries assessment and management measures by the Commission in the SW Pacific this year.   
NZ Sport Fishing Council if helping send reps to the Australian National Recreational Fishing Conference.
Aus rec fishers are facing massive changes to their fishing access in the next year including 10% Marine Protected Areas and capped recreational harvest.  How will rec fishers respond?  Will they be able to use fishing licence fees to help fight the Govt? 
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 9:39pm
good to see this research going on,and kahawai coming back in the gulf. One of my favored fish.
How do they access snapper stocks for example in the gulf where much of the population appears to be non resident and seasonal.

Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 9:41pm
Thanks for the update John and good to get an overview of just how much is going on in the background to benefit every one of us that fish. Legasea is certainly worth supporting  - it's a group of people working for all of us but like anything needs funding and our backing. Good work  Handshake


Posted By: NZ-Kayaker
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 10:05pm

Interesting to note that there is a documented decline in middle age kingfish in our coastal waters. This supports a very rough coconscious that I had come to this season - having caught literally hundreds of juvenile (70cm) kingfish over the last 12 months I have yet to catch a single legal fish during this time, despite more than 10 days of targeted (jigging and live baiting) fishing.

Perhaps some work is needed to find out where these bigger fish have gone? 

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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 11:20pm
Cirrus  The new snapper assessment assumes some movement between E Northland Hauraki Gulf and BOP based on tagging data, each area is treated as sub-stocks with their own catch rates and population age structure.  It seems that there are some fish that leave the HG and some that stay.
Kingfish have been tagged and recaptured for a while. They tend to stay in prime habitat, especially the larger ones. The 70 cm fish move around a bit more and may end up on exposed headlands and offshore islands.

Posted By: trish9147
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2012 at 8:09am
Thanks John for the info & update

The LegaSea report is expected out in the next few weeks. 

Meantime we are getting point of sale stuff organised to go into shops and businesses that have a lot of people passing through. This stuff will look good sitting on the counter and will include a mix of LegaSea brochures, stickers, cards and TAG pads. 

If anyone can host LegaSea stuff in their high-traffic area let us know. We need to get the word out & lots of people on board supporting LegaSea. To achieve this we need profile. Call us 0800 LEGASEA.

Get in with your $20. It will be the best investment you make all year.

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Posted By: Davefish
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2012 at 8:43am
Yup, good report thanks John.
Another variable in the numbers and location of north east coast kingfish and snapper (IF confirmed) might be the report of the BOP commercial boats that net jack mackeral for export being displaced (Rena) and extensively fishing the schools from Tutukaka to Pakiri. So many variables, it must be tough to be a scientist!
I was wondering if amongst the LegaSea business supporters if there was someone willing to put up a flash bit of tackle each month, or a trip somewhere warm with loads of fish, for a draw from existing and/or new members. Just an idea. I'm happy my contribution is an investment in mine and my childrens fishing future, but these days it seems a little more incentive works a charm and it would be a great way for a corprate sponsor to wear an arm band that has integrity. Unless corprate sponsorship in this form is problematic (exclusivity etc).
Keep up the good, naye, GREAT work.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2012 at 5:29pm
DF thanks for the suggestion, I will pass it on.
The NZ Marine Research Foundation report on Yellowfin Tuna is now on the web @" rel="nofollow - We have used sportfishing club records to show the decline in yellowfin catch and look for fisheries in the SW Pacific that expanded at about the time or fishery started down the slippery slope in the early 2000s.

Fact is that all the longine fisheries north of NZ expanded about that time.  We had a reasonable season in 2005 but nothing much since. 

I presented the draft report to the Ministry Highly Migratory Species Working Group and asked for the NZ delegation to the Commission meetings to support reductions to tuna longline effort on yellowfin, bigeye and albacore in the SW Pacific.  The WCPFC Scientific Committee meeting starts in Busan on 7 Aug.

Posted By: EditB
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2012 at 10:05am
I donated my $20 the other day and about 2hrs later got a personal call from one of the LegaSea support staff to thank me for my donation (well he thanked my answer phone but the thought was there ) I've never had that level of feedback from anything else I've donated to, nice one LegaSea

I do not lie about fishing, I willingly participate in a campaign of misinformation.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 10:10am
Service with a smile EB
Thanks for contributing to ur fishing future.

Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 3:35pm
John will we get a personnel reminder when the year runs out so we can refresh the donation?

Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 4:58pm
I don't know why I have been procrastinating for too long...ok my household are now membersApprove
C'mon fellow fishos its only $20 minimum...Clap

"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau

Posted By: DaveA
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 8:30pm
I have my legasea polos and T shirts ready for my trip to Tonga, hoping to show the flag to my fishing companions. Now when are we going to organise some activity down this end of the island to Rustle up support from those who may not be aware....... pm me if you need assistance you might be surprised at what we can achieve.

A meal without wine is called breakfast.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2012 at 8:57am
For sure. LegaSea will be in touch on anniversary dates. 
Just working on a report of LegaSea NZ Sport Fishing Council activity this year.
Should be out next week.
Had a meeting with the Minister last week.  Wide ranging discussion. A chance to get to know how things work. Mark Conner (NZSFC President) and John Chibnall (IGFA rep) thought David Carter was pretty straight up, he wants to make the right decisons, and will listen to what we have to say.  Won't always agree but will read submissions and weigh up the options.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2012 at 9:21am
Yes we need your assistance.  We are looking for people to help get our cool LegaSea point of sale stands into fishing related retail outlets.  You will be given some material and coaching as a Legasea Agent to help recruit LegaSea Hosts at point of sale.
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Or you can give Trish a call on 0800 LEGASEA (534 273)
Tim Taylor will be attending Fishing Contests and Events this summer  If you want to get involved call Trish.

Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2012 at 10:18am
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

We are looking for people to help get our cool LegaSea point of sale stands into fishing related retail outlets.  You will be given some material and coaching as a Legasea Agent to help recruit LegaSea Hosts at point of sale.
Good idea a stand and some presence and knowledge in every bait and tackle store, fishing club and so on. I know a few shops I will give them a wakeup call.Clap

"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2012 at 10:18pm
Our report on the Australian National recreational Fishing Conference was held at the Gold Coast Convention Centre from 17 – 19 August 2012. 160 delegates attended, including speakers from Great Britain the United States and New Zealand." rel="nofollow -
I had imagined that Australia would be much more organised than New Zealand with respect to recreational fishing (RF) representation. In fact, they are in a very similar position to us.

In June 2012 Recfish Australia announced that it had reached an agreement with the Australian Fishing Tackle association (AFTA) to jointly form a national recreational fishing organisation. This will be known as the Australian Recreational Fishing Foundation Ltd. (ARFF). However, because ARFF has tax-exempt status, it cannot involve itself with any political activity such as lobbying or advocacy. How this new entity will represent Australian anglers without lobbying on their behalf is something that the parties involved will have to work out fairly soon!

Wide ranging discussion including the conference themes


1. Engaging and influencing decision makers

2. Understanding the importance of recreational fishing to Australian society

3. Responsible fishing practises

4. More habitat – more fish

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2012 at 8:43pm
One week to go.
Looking forward to the NZ Sport Fishing Council AGM at the Whangarei Deep Sea Angler Club at Tutukaka.  Home turf for some of us. There will be annual reports from the President, Fisheries Management Committee, and an update on progress with LegaSea and its potential. 
The NZ Marine Research Foundation will report on their work, investigating methods to value the economic impact of recreational fishing in NZ, the project to describe and explain trends in yellowfin tuna catch in NZ waters, and the new project on the review of the Animal Welfare Act and fishing, including a national survey of fisher attitudes to fish welfare.
Also there is new NZSFC policy on snapper in area one to be voted on, ahead of a likely management review for this stock next year.  No Minister this year, but the Ministries new inshore fisheries manager will be there. 
No doubt the NZ Recreational Fishing Council initiative using the Future Search method will be discussed.
Never a dull moment.
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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 5:22pm
Stepping up to the mark to resource a stronger voice for recreational fishers.  Clap
Meet Scott

He’s one of our top dogs here at LegaSea. He really is a champ!

Scott’s having doubts that Facebook can spread the LegaSea story across NZ.
So…we made a bet with him.
For every person that LIKES this photo Scott will pay $1.
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Posted By: mikehunt
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 11:08am

Sunday Star Times

China has sent sophisticated fishing boats into waters north of New Zealand, creating fears it is plundering the world's last great tuna stock in a bid to stake a claim to the region's resources.


Official figures show a 125 per cent increase in two years in the size of China's South Pacific tuna fleet, with many new boats added.


In a sign of increasing concern, a United States Navy carrier strike group sailed through the north Tasman Sea last month on a mission to “patrol and secure protected fishing areas in the southern Pacific” according the US-based Navy Times.


The mission was revealed after the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, cruiser Bunker Hill and destroyer Halsey reached Pearl Harbour.


The jump in Chinese boats operating around the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and in international waters between New Zealand and Fiji, has some in the fishing industry concerned.


“We all worry about the sheer number of vessels, but their technology means they now have double the firepower of five years ago in terms of how many hooks they can set,” Fiji Fish Marketing Ltd operator Graham Southwick said.


The Forum Fisheries Agency says as of this month there were 241 China-flagged vessels approved to fish, ahead of Taiwan's 221. Two years ago, China had only 107 boats long-line fishing for bigeye and yellowfin tuna.


In addition, many vessels flagged to the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and Kiribati are actually owned by Chinese companies.


“It has become constant, not only are they here, there are many more on the way,” Southwick said.


He said the Chinese boats all received about $300,000 a year as a fuel subsidy from Beijing, and were built with 0.5 per cent loans, many of them to keep shipyards working.


“It is a long-term game to get a maximum number of boats in the South Pacific.”


Vanuatu and the Solomons have issued more than 200 licences, each worth about $50,000 a year, to Chinese boats.


The economics of tuna fishing meant they could not make money without the subsidies, Southwick said. “It's not about making money, it's about positioning, getting as many boats into the Pacific as possible. When the time comes for quotas, and slicing up the cake, China will be able to say it has had 400 boats here.”


He said a subsidised fleet could keep fishing long after a normal commercial fleet would have had to give up. “The Chinese will fish until there is one tuna left in the ocean, and, since the Government is paying the bills, the fish won't stand a chance.”

girls fishing beer in that order

Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 6:57pm
well we ca n say goodbye to another piece of ocean
i have very little faith of any change
simple problem of there being a total lack of any leader of anynation inthe south pacific,that has balls.
All we can do is support Legasea and associates
lobby for exclusion of all foreign ships in nz waters,

Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 7:14pm
Happy to be a new supporter.....You look like our best shot.

And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more...Erica Jong

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 8:49pm
Thanks Derek
There is a plan. Get support. Do good things for people that fish.
Simple you would think.
Yellowfin are a hard nut to crack because all the action is outside NZ waters, but we have our allies. International fishing politics is a tough game but NZ Govt and science has respect and influence.
It ain’t  over yet.  LegaSea is our chance for a strong voice, but we have a great wall to

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2012 at 3:23pm
Media Release from New Zealand Sport Fishing Council
Marlin off the Menu
New Zealand’s world class marlin fishery is threatened by rapidly increasing commercial longline fleet in the South Pacific.
Delegates at the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council AGM in Tutukaka, held 28th & 29th September urged consumers to not to buy marlin products and to tell retailers and restaurants to take it off the menu.
Marlin have been a recreational only fishery in NZ since 1988 when Japanese tuna vessels were banned from fishing in northern New Zealand, as their catch was linked to substantial declines in the sport and tourist fishery.
This encouraged New Zealand commercial boats to enter the lucrative tuna fishery, but they too were banned from landing marlin.
Last month South West Pacific striped marlin fish stocks were assessed as over fished by the scientific committee of the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission.
They recommended that the current conservation measure limiting commercial vessels targeting striped marlin be extended into tropical waters, where catch was rapidly increasing.
New Zealand has a world class recreational fishery for large striped marlin with 24 of 26 line class world records caught in our waters, including the heaviest of 224 kg.
While our striped marlin are large there are also less of them than in some tropical fishing grounds.
Charter boats and fishing clubs, who were attracting tourists and providing employment in small coastal ports, have been struggling in recent years.
Yellowfin tuna catch in New Zealand has collapsed since the last reasonable season in 2005.
This was once an abundant fishery with good catch rates especially in the Bay of Plenty.
The New Zealand Sport Fishing Council and the Bay of Islands Swordfish Club support taking marlin off the menu as way of sending a clear message to businesses and the Government that anglers are serious about protecting this fishery.
Fishing and conservation groups in the USA have been successful in promoting the Billfish Conservation Act, which will ban the importation of marlin to mainland states and has been passed with clear majorities through the US Senate and Congress and now signed into law by President Obama.

6 October 2012
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Posted By: matto
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:38pm
20 bucks -easy,I am in

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:58pm
Cheers Matto
Great to connect with people that get what we are trying to do.
Could be a game changer if we get enough support.
We are having a LegaSea launch in Tauranga 14 Nov.  Contact Tim Taylor  mailto:[email protected]" rel="nofollow - [email protected]  if you are interested.

Posted By: matto
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 10:33am
Hi John , just to let you know a few saltfly fishos got together last nite at "rod and reel" Heres a copy of a post from the flyflingers forum. As you say it's time for a game changer. The "light bulb" moment for me was realizing that the recreational interest to not reduce bag limits is not selfish because our ministry is likely to then give those concessions to commercial interests and we do not benefit the fish stocks due to bad practice and re-allocation. Having a look at what you guys are up to and the very "lean" operating style , your research and advocacy team and track record its damn impressive. There is a bubble of optimism amoung Hauraki gulf snapper fishers at the moment because we are enjoying the ability to " go catch a feed " but put in context of how far below the biomass  is from target and the pressures on the fishery , it really is our kids and their kids we need act for. 20 bucks why would'nt you !Thumbs Up

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 11:02am
Cheers for that Matto
Yes the Hauraki Gulf is an amazing asset for fishers.
The next 12 months going to be critical in shaping how it will be managed in the future. 
The new Rec Harvest estimates and the final Snapper stock assessment will probably trigger a management review in 2013.  The way the Minister handles that could shape the future of many other inshore fisheries.  What to do when a rebuild Starts to happen ?
Next week we will be sending out a LegaSea update to all our supports.  It will include a Policy for Snapper in area 1 which will guide us though the next few years.
Thanks for saltfly fishos support.

Posted By: mike555
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 11:33am
I have donated and I look forward to them stopping the nonsense like that shown on Carls Gill Netting thread.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 11:19pm
Thanks Mike.  Wheels are in motion.
Exactly the type of issue that needs a strong, coordinated response.
We think Legasea is the best shot of having the people and resources to fight fires like this.

Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2012 at 1:40pm
I hope its ok to post their latest newsletter here for greater exposure...

LegaSea Report

26th October, 2012

Prepared for the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council club delegates for Zone meetings and Management Committee meeting, November 2012.

Prepared by Scott Macindoe – Project Manager


Structure and finances

LegaSea was launched in February 2012. For the first 5 months LegaSea finances have been processed through the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council. As of July 1st the finances of the project have been separated from the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council with a much clearer set of expectations and undertakings in place. These changes came about as a result of excellent advice from our auditor, secretary/Executive Officer and Patron. These experienced people provided invaluable insight - clarity that now sets LegaSea off on a strong footing. The decisions were made at the Management Committee meeting at Tutukaka on 27th September and retrospectively implemented.


Commencing 1st July 2012, LegaSea Ltd will deal with all financing and administration of LegaSea money matters. LegaSea Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Council. The Directors of LegaSea Ltd are Mark Connor and Peter Campbell. LegaSea Ltd is being underwritten by Scott Macindoe with no liability falling on Council at any time. Repayment of on-going underwriting (as required) is entirely dependent upon our success in raising monies from sponsor and establishment donors.


The five months of activity to year end 30th June that were processed through the NZSFC accounts resulted in a small deficit. However, after the inventory had been sold to LegaSea Ltd at a modest profit and the remaining underwrite monies repaid to Scott Macindoe a small surplus remains for that ‘launch’ phase. LegaSea has now been cleared from the Council Balance Sheet. I want to again thank all involved here – a vertical learning curve and lots of lessons learnt. We are wiser for this experience.


How does it work now? The $20 contributions that people make to LegaSea are receipted and deposited into the account of LegaSea Ltd. At the end of each month, 66% of these contributions are transferred to the NZSFC account as an ‘interim distribution’. The balance, 33%, is retained to help fund the establishment and running costs of the project.


Our target for year 1 (ending 30/6/2013) is to earn contributions from 3000 people and distribute $40,000 to the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council where the Management Committee will ensure it is carefully and wisely invested in the Advocacy, Research, Education and working TOGETHER work streams.


Our goal for year 2 is 5,000 people contributing with a ‘final distribution’ to Council of at least another 15% - i.e.  a total distribution of 80% of the $20 contributed by people - $80,000. We are determined to better these goals. We believe they are very conservative.


Other revenue streams being developed will fund the establishment and running costs of LegaSea. These being

·         the Gold, Silver, Bronze Sponsorship program for founding sponsors,

·         merchandise sales,

·         royalties on LegaSea branded product,

·         LegaSea ‘Point of Sale’ host generated monies (loose change boxes),

·         grant applications and

·         other support from businesses and clubs.


We are working up a budget for the establishment and running costs. Whilst we are determined to keep it lean, we understand the fundamental need to survey our databases.  Quality collateral in large quantities costs big money. If the Point of Sale Host program takes off (which it looks like doing) we will be up for considerable capital requirements (about $80 each once all costs added up, including plastic, paper, freight, web profiling and formatting). Good people committing to contractor roles require good remuneration. This budget will be complete for the January Zone considerations and Management Committee meeting.



The Project Manager (interim) is Scott Macindoe whose primary role is to coordinate the following contractors and team leaders

·         Trish Rea (marketing, reporting, web site and public awareness)

·         Tim Taylor (Event coordination/organisation, contributor follow up and Point of Sale Agent)

·         Joe Dennehy (Corporate sponsorship promotion)

·         Steve Sangster (accounting and administration)

·         Lindsay Gregory (internet and data base)

·         Adam El-Agez (social media)

·         Alan Dempsey of Amex Custom Prints and Carrie Seal (merchandise program)


We are blessed and enabled by a team of volunteers committed to the LegaSea project. Their roles include social media, forums, Boat Show and tournament attendances, boat ramp and marina attendances, recruitment and servicing of Point of Sale hosts, the hosts themselves and general brains trust/think tank input.


Role definitions and opportunities to harness help become clearer every day. One of the real frustrations of the last decade has been how to harness and deploy the good energy and time of willing and able volunteers. Now that we have some quality collateral and positive, unifying messaging we have the opportunity to effectively direct these volunteers and enable them. This serves to both increase public awareness and identify people who could potentially fulfil further expanded roles within LegaSea. 


Some quick stats for October

·         Over 200 people have contributed $20 this month. All have been called or emailed and thanked and further engaged. This results in much goodwill and positive feedback – good numbers of Skipper Packs are despatched

·         Merchandise sales exceed $2,000

·         Our first Silver sponsor (Thompson Walker) has come through with their payment ($4,000 plus GST)

·         6 other businesses have committed to a variety of sponsorships.

·         Facebook page has achieved 1300 ‘likes’

·         Website content has more than doubled


Public awareness

·         Matt Watson on the ITM Fishing Show ended his episode on the 20th October with a play of the video “The price of fishing” which has been on the LegaSea website since February – 50 people had signed up by the end of the evening. Contributions still coming in every day. This will replay next year. Furthermore, Matt has another message in preparation that is very direct. Interestingly, only one message left on the 0800 LEGASEA phone number – everyone else just went online and did the business – magic!

·         Again, Matt Watson – Matt’s open letter to the public hit the mark through Fishing News and the ITM newsletter that reaches many builders throughout the country. This sort of straight up the guts support and endorsement is priceless – kia kaha Matt

·         Fishing News and Bay Fisher – solid and consistent support. A reassuring surge of people attributing Fishing News since the November edition was delivered on October 22nd

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·         Early November sees us send out our first ‘recommit’ email to LegaSea contributors who signed up last year – this is new territory requiring lots of thought and planning. Whilst only targeting a relatively small group of people it will be a real test. Our plan is to send 4 Reports out per annum followed by a Recommitment message to about 25% of the data base. The thinking behind this is to spread out the all-important follow up work evenly across the year. When we ask people to go again, we will also be asking them to bring aboard their partner and or family – and or a mate. Ask and ye shall receive!

·         The Tauranga launch event is on track for Wednesday 14th November at Tauranga Sport Fishing Club, 5.00 pm

·         Tim Taylor is doing good work in his Event coordination role with several attendances (Coromandel Kayak Fishing Contest, Bucklands Beach Take a Kid Fishing event, Tauranga Sport Fishing Club Rick Pollock evening – thanks to Grant Holley) – hard won support, well earned – thanks Tim – this groundwork will pay off well as we bring the LegaSea brand to life – if you have an event that would benefit from a LegaSea attendance please call Tim on 027 6689904

·         Thank you to Counties, Wairarapa and Browns Bay clubs for invitations to address their AGMs – also to Tauranga for opportunity to address Prize Giving

·         The social media team have delivered substantial gains in ‘reach’ and online presence. The LegaSea facebook page is achieving traction and results – we are experimenting with campaign behaviours – go there and click on the weirdo holding the brick – earn a dollar for LegaSea here by adding your like -" rel="nofollow - .Thank you to Adam El-Agez and Ian Wills who bring fresh eyes and big picture perspectives to this vitally important aspect of our program.

·" rel="nofollow -   – John H (Holdsworth) is doing an outstanding job here -" rel="nofollow -   - we don’t know how lucky we are to have such uncompromising, clear thinking and staunch advocacy. Whenever we see John H on the move we know we are in safe hands. Thanks to this consistent ‘voice of reason’ LegaSea and New Zealand Sport Fishing Council are securing a solid support base with keen forum members. Grant Blair offers good advice and years of experience

·         The" rel="nofollow -   website has had extensive work done – check it out please – click on any of the tabs at the top and be very, very surprised and delighted – thank you Trish Rea

·         LegaSea host program -" rel="nofollow -   - another 25 hosts have agreed to take on the Point of Sale counter stand and brochures in October. We now have 80 stands in place with a further 100 on order. Cambrian Plastics Ltd are a most welcome discovery out in Henderson – so refreshing to find New Zealand manufacturers so generous and keen. 14 people have completed brochures this month and sent them back in the mail with cheque or credit card details. If you know anyone who would either like to Host a stand or become a LegaSea agent and promote the program in their district, please call Trish on 0800 LEGASEA (534 273). This is a satisfying task – ask Craig Smith of Tutukaka – he took it upon himself to cover Whangarei district plus Dargaville – wow, over 20 hosts brought up to speed and now starting to hum – he welcomes your call on 09 4373384

·         Discussions are happening with several clubs that are not affiliated and see a need to contribute.

·         Merchandise – starting to see the shirt when out and about. At Labour weekend Scott attended the Mulberry Grove Primary School 50th Anniversary celebrations. At the Barrier Social Club that evening there were four people wearing the shirt – looked good, felt good. Lots of enquiry and support – young people really getting fired up. They are pissed off with the state of play and are looking for a rallying point. Great to see the staff at Tutukaka proudly wearing their LegaSea shirts during the NZSFC AGM – bring a tear to a glass eye – didn’t they look sharp.


Our processes and procedures are being well tested and ironed out. The collateral and message continues to evolve. The brand is becoming known and trusted – people are excited.


We welcome any questions or invitations to send more info or attend club evenings to further explain LegaSea.


It is a privilege to serve the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council – an organisation that believes in best practise process, maintains discipline and authentic structure, practices careful consideration of matters and delivers solid, well founded outcomes and decisions. Representing people is not a responsibility taken lightly by this Council – it is uplifting to be able to promote the Council efforts to the public and receive warm appreciation and endorsement from a very wide range of people – many of whom don’t even fish!


Your confidence and faith is much appreciated


Mauri ora


Scott Macindoe




"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2012 at 7:19pm
No problem sharing this.
More detail than some may need, but we want to be open and honest about our goals and structure.
It is still evolving and frankly starting from scratch 1 year ago we are pleased with the product and feedback we are getting.  Feel free to spread the word.
LegaSea is about sticking up for our own fishing future.   If you care about that..... what is 20 bucks ? Or 60 bucks for a family? 
We have had a whole generation miss out on quality fishing opportunities as the brakes on commercial fishing burnt out and failed. The future is looking much better than the 1990s for our inshore stocks if we can create a strong voice for more fish in the water.

Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2012 at 11:23am
Charter Connection and DIVERSITY are officially onboard with Legasea.

Couple of hundy donated (more to come) and purchases of tees for all crew and admin


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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2012 at 7:09pm
Excellent Damo
A sound investment in our fishing future.
I guess you heard all about our Snapper policy for area 1 the other day.
It is achievable and affordable and will create a great legacy for NZ if we get wide spread support.
Bare bones are:
Snapper 1 policy
Objective  - to rebuild the snapper stock in Snapper 1 to the target level of 40% of the original biomass.

No increase to the Total Allowable Commercial Catch (TACC) in Snapper 1 until:
  • The stock has been restored to the target level;
  • The stock is capable of meeting the reasonably foreseeable needs of future generations; and
  • Those needs have been adequately identified and allowed for.
To improve the yield per recruit by reducing the mortality of small fish.
To encourage better management of our impact on the marine environment.

Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:25am
Yeah mate... Been briefed. Checked ot last 2 annual reports yesterday too. Great to see momentum building.

On a side note we had Scott, Wayne and co onboard yesterday.. 70 nice fat tamure all going home to be processed plate loads of happiness

All our clients will now be made aware of Legaseas roll and its importance in the future of our fishery. Keep an eye on our next report too for pics of the crew knocking a healthy load of snapper etc too

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Posted By: matto
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 11:42am
[QUOTE=John H] 
The future is looking much better than the 1990s for our inshore stocks if we can create a strong voice for more fish in the water.

I went fishing in the weekend and this quote kept jumping up in my mind, 

Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 1:32pm
Legasea supporters can display a 'Contributor' banner in their signature and there's also an image for your avatar - either or both is good.

The code for your signature file is as follows - NB: Just type in the code as if I type that in here it will just display the logo and the code won't be visible:

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And here's the signature image for the avatar. Just right click, save to your desktop and then load as a new avatar.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:01pm
Thanks Grunta
The code is a bit hard to read
But here goes...

Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:06pm
It is and apologies for that - tried to break it into bits so it could be copied and pasted but the security is pretty high on the forum software so it didn't like that either .  You got it though! Thumbs Up


Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:21pm
Good plan - here goes...


Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:21pm
Heh - Updated on all my previous posts !
Thats handy
Tried getting an image from PDF. Still needs imagination.

Posted By: JW
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:25pm
Just donated. Happy to donate my time too.

Posted By: JW
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:32pm
maybe not IT related help as I can't seem to get the signature thing to work!
Works nowBig smile


Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:44pm
Great idea Grunta....Thumbs Up...

Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 2:55pm
Well done Damo for your stance and getting people 'onboard'  (wow is that pun of the year?)
There must be an enormous amount of people with good wills based in Auckland all wanting to see improved conditions around the gulf, and it seems Legasea is our best chance yet to unite the masses.
Keeping goals specific like 40% of the original biomass keeps people focussed on the goal and also makes it manageable.. bit by bit, Rome was built.
Well done to all in Legasea so far, you guys have started to turn the tide.. Clap  

Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month." rel="nofollow">

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:53pm
Plenty of people in LegaSea have been involved with sticking up for our fishing future for many years now.
They see the potential for a strong consistent voice. Doesn't have to be the only voice, but as tide comes in it will be heard.

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:10pm
JW   You should get sent the spring update shortly.  If there are any issues there that you want to help with let us know.  Now is a good time to spread the word.  A little bit from a lot of fishers is how it works.
Maui's dolphin
Trish (NZSFC & LegaSea) has organised a public meeting for next Tuesday, 6 November, 7:00 pm, at the Titirangi RSA. This is to give local fishers an opportunity to learn about the proposal to extend the set net ban (including much of the Manukau Harbour), and have a say or make a submission before the following Monday deadline. Given our experience with past meetings, this is likely to be a lively meeting including the harbour commercial fishermen and recreational interests. An invitation will be extended to the Ministry and DoC to attend, but unsure if they will come.

Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

Plenty of people in LegaSea have been involved with sticking up for our fishing future for many years now.
They see the potential for a strong consistent voice. Doesn't have to be the only voice, but as tide comes in it will be heard.
That sums it up for me John - very nicely put! Anyone or organisation that is standing up for our rights deserves support. If a healthy recreational fishery is important to you, your children and their children then click" rel="nofollow - here . Simple as that.
Legasea avatar and sig banner instructions are a couple of posts above.


Posted By: smelli
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:53pm
I will sign up ASAP.. Good work etc Legasea


Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 10:47pm
Just signed up, keep up the good work.

Posted By: Bad uncle
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 10:52pm
just signed up for the $20
now everyone else that signs up use my name kent so i get a shirt.
thanks Smile

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