iPad + Navionics as a chart plotter???

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Thanks guys.....as always sound advice from all quarters and yes, those of us that ask the question DO appreciate it when someone throws out a controversial comment or two.I love the passion we all have for our chosen sport/hobby/luxury/necessity!!!!!!!!

I'm off to the boat show tomorrow (thanks Sezza!!) so will no doubt gather a plethora of info. and have some great conversations around the subject. Will probably give it a go as other fishos seem to have had success.
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Only caution saving spots may become public to other users. Have a look at spots saved on charts already.

 Yep. turn off in settings.. cant rem what default is..

I cant be bothered trying to reply to put downs.
 Now you show me where I have put down , or personally attacked you.
 I have pointed out, several times that it is very obvious that you are consistently making comments / recommendations , not based on personal use.. in this thread and others and making them sound as your own experience.
 And example is tabs not suitable of boat .. well you tell that to my old huawei  obsolete android 4...that has dropped hard out of the holder on the floor been kicked down into the cabin , slide around there, on many occasions.. and to all the tabs childen bash around in their school bags..
 Also my  professional experience in computers and into tabs etc goes back over 25yrs.. just retired from the industry.

I have asked you  on what basis that you base your opinions...
You will see from my often criticized length of posts...I generally back up my stuff with how where and why... 
 So Im asking again upon what personal experience are you making  each your statements.... NOT what is in  marketing brochures.

 Accuracy is something I cant be bothered going any further into.

Hmm why? doesnt actual on the water r4eal life stuff, repeated many times over many yrs not match up with the very wide manufacturer specs.... wide so they dont get bad publicity in media when expectations acure ( excepts  from personal experience covered in my previous post.

So please do not reply to me again in any thread.

You post up stuff about how to power boats.. rem? you must found cruches forumla.. then stopped, must discovered the std constanse dont work on modern trailer boats?? and dont know why??
Pile in comments as if personal experience on different boat types..
 Comment on certain make of boat "that are prone to weld splitting".. (mods deleted those without even a complain from the rep on the forums here..)all based one instance that happened to be a very badly abused, not serviced, rig. 

So please do not reply to me again in any thread.

People ask questions here..generally read the marketing brochures etc.. want actual personal experience information. not a re hash of marketing propaganda that omits product fault and limitations or just your perception.. worded in a manner to be hands on personal experience..
You do so, and espec if WRONG
 I will pull you up on it (or mods may delete in extreme cases) when it starts getting to the extent of pointing people in the wrong direction... mis information.

I have made a few clangers here..even been banned a couple times...When I have been corrected, I realise , my mistake let it go. usually with a note of appreciation of the correction... and added knowledge.
 If believe still correct I will state my case, hows and whys into the debate..
Having to resort to  " put downs" that no actual personal attack or put down has been made  " please dont reply"  ( interpets let me state my incorrect opinions as personal experience as fact. and not debatable)
Hmm sry the rest of my statement could or would be directed personally..dont know how to put it politely.

PS mate has a elcheapo on special obsolete tab on his jet ski with navionics.. got his lowrance on special.. new model coming out.. like mine just had the basic Cmap..and could not afford the navionics map to go with it..
 Same as the full platinum version detail without the added pics and sounder to gps markers etc
 Found that out last night over dinner.. 

you do know the app version is the same as the top of the line platinum version in detail..with almost daily updates.. even in NZ waters/ harbours / coast.. without the fancy addon pics  right?
 Well u might after my screen shot off my phone and link above...

Anyway Im sure Bricker has the info he needs from all those who have put up their personal experience..





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I think its a great idea, I often run my ipad with navionics next to my Raymarine MFD, basically lets me run three different screens when gamefishing etc - generally run sounder and radar in bird mode on the MFD and have navionics on the ipad. 
I also use the ipad to view SST maps from OceanSST so I can see where the good water is.
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Thanks Stonefish.......another tick in the yes box!!
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Bricker I was thinking about this some more to help out.

The Mrs brought home her tough pad gimbal last night. Anyone fishing in a boat they cant mount the Ipad this might be good. They basically sit flat against you and when in use they are facing up, so you can use your stylus, well use it full stop. Thats what the guys scaling our mountains would be using with the tough pad. Interestingly tough pads dont use glass like iPads. Its plastic from what I can make out, it feels weird under the stylus. Like a really thick non glossy computer screen. Also they come in a tough shell. So there is like 3 layers.

Im going to ask a mate if there is any way to IP68 an iPad.

lastly do you have a stylus and is yours the latest 9.7" normal iPad that now accepts the use of a stylus? Because one thing that helps with real accuracy is a pen/stylus. You may not be able to control your iPads GPS (not that it would be out by more than a few metres) but you can control where you put your way point :-).

lastly if you cant mount it, as steps is doing, id try a cellphone/tablet waterproof bag, perhaps see if you can try it out in store. you can use a phone in one so i dont see why not an ipad. not sure about the stylus technology with Apple though.

just a few ideas to chew on that might help or might not.
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 Because one thing that helps with real accuracy is a pen/stylus. You may not be able to control your iPads GPS (not that it would be out by more than a few metres) but you can control where you put your way point :-).

 you havnt actually used navionics right.. to be able to zoom in and touch...those markers get dropped damn near spot on...
 And in real world...you will be dropping on say a gut in a reef type of thing..  then either drifting over or anchoring and float lines back to it...either way u will be using area around and will see the gut you are targeting.. distance drift will change as to tide/ current wind.
 moot point.
 And if travelling, its easy enough to drag the screen (even thu moves centers as you travel, ok to zoom in small chop, but anything more..  skipper 2 hands on the wheel..watch the sea not play with picking up / using a stylus.. and try and drop onto the screen accurate... really?

 As to glass what ever...doesnt matter, just use basic common sense... 
eg a kid will kick a ball against a wall, but not a glass sliding door right.. same principle...one doesnt bash a sounder /gp screen either
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Steps the stylus means you dont need to zoom, just makes it one step easier, it also makes using the maps easier, in fact using the iPad. Think of it like trying to use a computer without a mouse. Yes ive used it on Navionics and the Mrs topography Biology maps. Its super easy. They only released that model recently though (although the expensive 10.5 and 12.9" Pro models have had it forever since release).

Add to that 4g and a logitech keyboard and you have yourself a computer on the boat with a mouse acting as a stylus in which you can look up information regarding say a certain reef etc, then it just pulls off the keyboard and you put it back in its bag or on the dock and its back to being a stylus. Hence the term 2n1 computers these days.

You guys have actually convinced me to buy one for my next small boat lol.

RE glass, its not about bashing it, its about dropping it, thats why i suggested the tough pads as you can drop em and nothing happens, you drop and ipad and its potentially gone (it depends on what angle, what height, what you hit, but they arent that hard to crack). Lets say you are ultra hectic and you pick it up with a slightly slippery hand, dropped, yes it happens and no not just clumsy people. I repair them for people and it can happen for all kinds of reasons. Anyway, just putting a touch case on one will dramatically decrease the chances of cracking a screen if you are not mounting one.

Steps Im just offering some advice on a subject Im familiar with, not trying to step on your toes here.
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Steps Im just offering some advice on a subject Im familiar with, not trying to step on your toes here.

 not steping on my toes.. Im just passing on 4 or 5 yrs of personal hands on use and experiance,  trial and error.. yes errors failures to ..as to what and how things work and what doesnt..
 Not 'therorcal' stuff as what should and should not work...

 Just an elcheapo, 8" .. 7 " is ok, old obsolete tab, on special is all thats needed... as I said mine is a old hauwai  adroid ver 4
 And mine has been thrown out of the holder to the floor far more times than can count.. then bounced on the floor in big chop, and kicked down into the cabin floor so not stood on, and bounced on that floor till get back to ramp
 not even a plastic protector cover, often not even the zip lock bag.
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definitely, in fact id say that preferable way to go. the lenovos make a $250 8 inch tablet. havnt used one or tried maps on it, but cant see why it wouldnt work.
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Hmm lenovos. dont know about the later ones but the ealier ones did not have gps location... had wirleless location.
 
 Again as I said previously , when looking for a tab , check the settings/ location  and has the gps  location setting... sometimes it maybe greyed out. if so make sure can turn on...
 Dont ask the guy selling , 9 times out of 10 they dont know the difference between the 2.
 Thu can be 'fun' when ask for their manager and point out that the poor guy on the floor hasn't been trained in the details of the products... generally they dont know the difference either
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I don’t think an Apple Pencil would be of any benefit
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I have got Navionics on my phone use it as a back up to the GPS, sounder as there is more on the Navionicss charts than on my Sounder plotter. Its a good back up. Turn on at the start of the trip and records every where I have been for the day. Gives time distance and speed for the trip, trips can also be recorded for the future.

    A Good Skipper Keeps the water on the outside of the boat.
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