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    Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 8:53pm
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Tried out a Sebile flat shad in the weekend but no luck. Was catching fish with softies (Lime tigers rule), but was not sure about the action to use with the hard baits; tried a slow softie action and a 'normal' action but no takes - gee those flat shads vibrate a lot!
 Any suggestions on the action to use?
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cast and let it drop to bottom, lift rod up at a medium pace and slow wind on the drop..the flat shads have wicked movement/vibration so lifting them up off the bottom will get them working, then allowing them to drop back will imitate a wounded bait fish ..good luck 
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  Thanks of2fsh - will give it a burst!          Smile
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Smashed a bunch of snapper on the Shimano 118 Waxwing (Sand Eel) hard bodied lure the other week....was fishing on a chater with 12 others using ledger rigs so couldnt really fish them the way I wanted so added a 2oz sinker above the lure and plumbed it to the bottom and used a slow retrieve-lift combo....boom....a bit later on I got the opportunity to fish them without the aid of exta lead....cast forward of the drift, allow to sink, slow retrieve-lift combo.....boom!....easily kept up with the ledger rigs
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Those wax wings sink like that kezz ???
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Yup they sure do Mitch....the 118s weigh in at 1 and 1/2 ozs....the beggars swim real hard on the drop too.
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I believe this was the first snapper caught on a Waxwing in NZ which was promptly followed by 15 or so of it's brethren and was not in a work-up situation either......37ms of water.

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What do the wings at the head do Kezza... are they to impart action, or to hold it steady in an upright axis? Are they head weighted to make them drop nose first?
I saw Boulder got some in the US last year, didn't hear how much use he had with them though.
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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

What do the wings at the head do Kezza... are they to impart action, or to hold it steady in an upright axis? Are they head weighted to make them drop nose first?
I saw Boulder got some in the US last year, didn't hear how much use he had with them though.

Capt. These are similar to surface irons (another name in the US) Cast em', burn them on the retrieve, rod tip down, the wings stop the jig from spinning... No doubt you have them or seen them in the past.

The waxwing is different in shape, as it doesn't have the normal flat side like on most irons hence the need for the wings. Casting surface irons/jigs has been common practice in places like SoCal for tuna, cali yellow tail etc... 


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Bingo!....Capt. A...the weight is in the head and the action on them has to be seen to be believed....I like the fact they don't need 2 x trebbles to get them swimming well....hoping to find some kingies on Sunday!
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I remember Rick Pollock used to bring in the Surface Irons and use them to effect on pursuit.... hell, 20years back I guess, I got a mate to send me some from the States, even used them once on Zambucca when we had a huge tuna ball around us.... and they worked!.... but since then.... damn, I don't even remember where I saw them last (beach house, asparagus packshed, home, home garage or farm boatshed....I got **** scattered everywhere! :-)  )... come to think of it, I think there are a couple in the farm boatshed...
Whats the retail on the waxwings then Kezza, I may have to hunt one or two down some time. Will they have them at FCO yet?
 
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Mean cuzz will wack a few in the tackle bag
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Yeehaa just got some  in ,the 45g was about 30bucks i think,the others they have are the 60g.
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Kezza a couple of things mate, what rod weight would you recommend for casting the 118, as I'd hate to over stress my current rod, its a Tiny made 6-8 synit, although not doing the surfcast thing may help Embarrassed, & do you have a preferred casting line like the new fireline, cheers.
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