How to fish hard baits
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Topic: How to fish hard baits
Posted By: El Nicko
Subject: How to fish hard baits
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 8:53pm
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Tried out a Sebile flat shad in the weekend but no luck. Was catching fish with softies (Lime tigers rule), but was not sure about the action to use with the hard baits; tried a slow softie action and a 'normal' action but no takes - gee those flat shads vibrate a lot! Any suggestions on the action to use? |
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 9:58pm
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cast and let it drop to bottom, lift rod up at a medium pace and slow wind on the drop..the flat shads have wicked movement/vibration so lifting them up off the bottom will get them working, then allowing them to drop back will imitate a wounded bait fish ..good luck
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Posted By: El Nicko
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 8:45pm
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Thanks of2fsh - will give it a burst! 
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 9:51pm
| Smashed a bunch of snapper on the Shimano 118 Waxwing (Sand Eel) hard bodied lure the other week....was fishing on a chater with 12 others using ledger rigs so couldnt really fish them the way I wanted so added a 2oz sinker above the lure and plumbed it to the bottom and used a slow retrieve-lift combo....boom....a bit later on I got the opportunity to fish them without the aid of exta lead....cast forward of the drift, allow to sink, slow retrieve-lift combo.....boom!....easily kept up with the ledger rigs |
Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 10:47pm
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Those wax wings sink like that kezz ??? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 10:56pm
| Yup they sure do Mitch....the 118s weigh in at 1 and 1/2 ozs....the beggars swim real hard on the drop too. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 8:02am
NEK MINNIT  I believe this was the first snapper caught on a Waxwing in NZ which was promptly followed by 15 or so of it's brethren and was not in a work-up situation either......37ms of water. Churrr
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 8:41am
very cool 
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:11pm
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What do the wings at the head do Kezza... are they to impart action, or to hold it steady in an upright axis? Are they head weighted to make them drop nose first? I saw Boulder got some in the US last year, didn't hear how much use he had with them though. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:36pm
Capt. These are similar to surface irons (another name in the US) Cast em', burn them on the retrieve, rod tip down, the wings stop the jig from spinning... No doubt you have them or seen them in the past. The waxwing is different in shape, as it doesn't have the normal flat side like on most irons hence the need for the wings. Casting surface irons/jigs has been common practice in places like SoCal for tuna, cali yellow tail etc... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Capt Asparagus wrote:Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:58pm
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Bingo!....Capt. A...the weight is in the head and the action on them has to be seen to be believed....I like the fact they don't need 2 x trebbles to get them swimming well....hoping to find some kingies on Sunday! ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:10am
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I remember Rick Pollock used to bring in the Surface Irons and use them to effect on pursuit.... hell, 20years back I guess, I got a mate to send me some from the States, even used them once on Zambucca when we had a huge tuna ball around us.... and they worked!.... but since then.... damn, I don't even remember where I saw them last (beach house, asparagus packshed, home, home garage or farm boatshed....I got **** scattered everywhere! :-) )... come to think of it, I think there are a couple in the farm boatshed... Whats the retail on the waxwings then Kezza, I may have to hunt one or two down some time. Will they have them at FCO yet? |
Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 4:35am
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Mean cuzz will wack a few in the tackle bag Churrrrrr ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 3:55pm
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Yeehaa just got some in ,the 45g was about 30bucks i think,the others they have are the 60g. ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: Monty
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 8:01pm
Kezza a couple of things mate, what rod weight would you recommend for casting the 118, as I'd hate to over stress my current rod, its a Tiny made 6-8 synit, although not doing the surfcast thing may help  , & do you have a preferred casting line like the new fireline, cheers.
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