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    Posted: 22 Nov 2011 at 9:27pm
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Can anyone please tell me what the second number on the carpenter Blue Lagoon rods responds to?
eg. BLC 84/22     BLC80/35

Presuming the fist number is length i.e. 8'4" and 8'0". is the second number casting weight or carpenter rating on how light/heavy the blank is?





Looks extreme that 2nd one.


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Its my understanding that it shows the max drag at a specific angle the blank will handle.
22=22lb and 40=40lbs

I believe but stand to be corrected that the angle mentioned is 90deg or in other terms at the 3 oclock position.


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The second number is the Power rating of the rod.... I'm not sure it relates directly to max drag poundage as suggested by Boulder ( would be pretty cool clever way of doing it if it did, as it would standardise rod manufactures power ratings ) but I think thats unlikely...

 
As far as I understand it, this number relates to Carpenters "Power" rating... so obviously the higher the number, the more powerful the blank.... just how powerful and on what scale it moves I have no clue!!!
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You will need to get this translated. It is a PDF so my browser won't do it but it explains what you want to know, I think Boulder is on the money with it translating to a figure a pounds.

http://www.carpenter.ne.jp/pdf%20catalogue/rod%20name%20housokusei/rod%20name%20housokusei.pdf
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Hey Sam,
 
Tried translating that doc but it doesn't give a definite explanation on the newer model rods that feature the Power rating....
 
Here it is, well what I can get outta Google Translate:
Law of Rod Carpenter Name
Carpenter's name on the rod, we have shown uniform laws
Name rod cases) BC74ULR (f)
①
②
③
④
⑤
⑥
⑦
BC
74
UL
R
(F)
↓
↓
↓
↓
↓
↓
↓
Rod Name
Length
Power
Action
SHP carbon structure
Spinning or bait
Setting Guide
Black Current
7 feet 4 inches
Ultra Light
Regular active sucrose
-
-
Finesse
※ 1
※ 2
※ 3
Only specific series
Only specific models
Only specific series
Appears
Appears
Appears
① ... ... ... ... ...
Characters appear in two or three letters of the alphabet rod abbreviations
LGM (Raglan-mail), DJ (Discovery Journey), TBL (The Blue Lagoon), BT (Biggutsuna)
BC (Black Current), TX (trichlorethylene star), OH (One Hundred), BB (Black Beast)
② ... ... ... ... ...
Rod length is displayed
Exception) if the length is listed as 80/20 where 80 and 20 after the power (Lb) and.
This example ... series hits such as TBL TBL80/20RF
③ ... ... ... ... ...
Rod power is displayed
EXL, UL, L, ML, M, MH, H, XH (EXH), XXH, (UHL exceptions)
④ ... ... ... ... ...
Rod action is displayed
● BC Series ● TBL series rod being ※ 1
S (slow action) R (Regular Action) RF (Regular First) F (fast action).
⑤ ... ... ... ... ...
Only specific models are displayed SHP-
SHP = wall thickness of the carbon structure (Piki and little properties. Having a higher damage limit, however.)
● BC-series models for some models of some part of the rod ● TBL series models target ● LGM series ※ 2
Before the SHP - (hyphen) is entered
⑥ ... ... ... ... ...
Bait reel or spinning reel specifications Specifications
Specifications for both bait and spinning rod specifications ● BB Series ● OH series being ※ 3
Only appears in reels bait specifications ● BC Series
Before B or S - (hyphen) is entered
Spinning-S
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What gets confusing on Carpenter rods is on say the Endless Passion rods , say 85/36 ,where the max. drag written on the rod  is only 10kg. What I think is that the BLC rods ( ie Kingfish rods ) have their drag and power rating measured at 3 o'clock as Boulder says , or 0 dgrees , and that GT rods are measured at 45 degrees! So the EP 85/36 would have a max drag at 0 degrees of about 16kg (36lb) but at 45 degrees is only the 10 kg.

Could well be wrong about this but it explains why the EP has such a relatively low max drag compared to even the lightest Blc I own.
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My rusty Japanese from the above carpenter site gives me.

First letters are the rods name

First numbers are feet in inches length

Second numbers are Lb of drag, there does not appear to be any mention of rod angle in relation to this.

The rod power is referred to as in ul = ultra light on up to medium heavy etc.

Then rod action, r = regular, etc

5 appears to be type of carbon, elasticity, wall thickness etc.

6 is bait cast, spin.

7 is guid placements, ie finesse, acrobat cast or spiral.

Ie bc74ulr is black current 7'4" Ultra light regular action.

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This cant be right "First numbers are feet in inches length"....That would make The 80=6 foot 6  and the 84=7 foot.....I think more like 80 = 8 foot and 84 = 8 foot 4 ,like has been suggested.
Interesting to know what it all meansWink
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Originally posted by sid fishus sid fishus wrote:



First numbers are feet in inches length



Just a typo LBD, feet and inches, like you said 8 feet 4 inches or 84 on the rod. 

I think the whole rod angle / drag rating comes from the different fighting styles employed on different species of fish.


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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Originally posted by sid fishus sid fishus wrote:

         "Just a typo"........
Maybe,Maybe not LOL But as Metallica says "So Censored What"....Wink.
Id love one of those rods regardless.Thumbs Up


First numbers are feet in inches length



Just a typo LBD, feet and inches, like you said 8 feet 4 inches or 84 on the rod. 

I think the whole rod angle / drag rating comes from the different fighting styles employed on different species of fish.


Dre, my 360 account is in lock down. Must have been from the update? I will contact you ASAP, been crazy busy. 


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Carpenter BLC 83/40 = Carpenter Blue Chaser 8'3" long at 0 degree 40lb max drag from the reel.

Carpenter EP 85/36 = Carpenter Endless Passion 8'5" ling at 0 Degree 36lb max drag from the reel.
10kg drag at 45 degree from the reel.


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Originally posted by YeeHaa YeeHaa wrote:

Carpenter BLC 83/40 = Carpenter Blue Chaser 8'3" long at 0 degree 40lb max drag from the reel.

Carpenter EP 85/36 = Carpenter Endless Passion 8'5" ling at 0 Degree 36lb max drag from the reel.
10kg drag at 45 degree from the reel.

Thank you Smile, that was what I thought I said .
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This is an answer to Neps question on behalf of this topic to an Aussie forum, the answer is by Carpenter reps Tak Otsuka and Jon Li.
 
Jon: "YTK when hooked will try to run into the rock, but the most critical time is when the fish keep the fight till the side of the boat , it will dive suddenly and if given to take line out will for sure head into the rock and cut the line off so the angler must resort to " no line out " drag setting to subdue the YTK , this sudden dive which creates peaking of drag must be absorbed by the rod and hence the design of BLC blanks are made quite different than most GT rods in the market ".
Tak: "Andre - the second number of model name is the strength or power of butt section. It generally indicates how powerfull each rod is but same as max drag rating, this is more comfort fishing rating rather than actual breaking strength.
Rory - Only BLC's max drag is rated in different way from all other series at 0 degree, rating on other models are at around 45 -50 degree, Carpenter did this not for confusing anglers and as Jon mentioned this is because BLC blanks has been designed on different concept".
 
 
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Hey Bun,
 
whats the rating on your "custom tip" ?Tongue
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BLC 80/40ish LOL
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