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Have to disagree on that, hooks really are the major factor in balancing stickbaits

Jigs are heavy so there action isn't effect much by hooks
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Originally posted by Xtoad Xtoad wrote:

I want to use singles to biff at beaky things this summer and had similar ideas but hadn't thought to butcher a store bought one with a groove - was going to hang one from the eye like an assist hook and rubber band it around the waist. Was thinking about breakaway hooks for poppers too. 
I'll look at a couple if you want....
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Where are you fishing out of? These baits won't troll.

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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

When jigs first started using assists, then a lot of folks tried the rubber band thing to stop the hooks flying around so much. However, this has died out as it has been proven in the long run not to matter really. I suspect the same would apply to assists on stickbaits too.


dont no if it died out or the people doing this realized it was stupid and not necessary ,stikbaits are a whole different kettle of fish.
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Originally posted by stellajigger stellajigger wrote:

Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

When jigs first started using assists, then a lot of folks tried the rubber band thing to stop the hooks flying around so much. However, this has died out as it has been proven in the long run not to matter really. I suspect the same would apply to assists on stickbaits too.


dont no if it died out or the people doing this realized it was stupid and not necessary ,stikbaits are a whole different kettle of fish.



Yup, it died out because it was stupid and not necessary.... I thought I kinda said that ? :-) Just wondering though, would a single hook need to be rubber banded in place, even if on an assist? Given the action of these lures, wouldn't having an assist hook slapping away on the body of the lure add a little more rattle to the lure, and perhaps add to the attraction?
What about instead of a thru body wire, have a tube allowing you to run assist hook cord right thru the lure to a single hook at the back, and anotehr shorter one from the mid-point of the lure. have these tied off to a ring at the nose of the lure to keep them moderately in place, but then when they hook up, the fish will not be able to use the body of the lure, via the strength of the thru-body wire, as leverage to maybe pop the hook out?

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More a case of the people doing it didn't understand why and how an assist works. not sure if it matters so much on a stick bait though. 
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You need to step into my lab bro.  Ideas and perceptions bloom and contort in there. I'll go to the next dimension and ask the Patupairehe what they use, Then bring the concept back to reality in tact. 
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Never really no if I'll ever make it out of your lab bro if I go in! But yeh sounds good LOL
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Good to see what your up to ,keep up the good work , have you thought about doing away with the front hook and maybe weighting the bottom edge ?
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Front hook is the most likely to get hit, kings generally hit the head/belly section of there prey.

I'm using both belly and tail weights.
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Nice work marx, good looking bait also. I am thinking a clip of some sort would be the go for your idea, maybe some kind of electrical wire clip that can be glued in to the body, you are making these out of two halves correct? Would have to be reliable enough for the life of the bait though?
 
I believe the loose assist hooks are easily inhaled by fish, would be interesting to compare hookup ratios with a " fixed " hook like on your bait.
 
Would more weight in the belly stop the roll you are getting? also how are you weighting the tail as wieght in the dead centre could be moved lower? I presume you have tried all this stuffSmile
 
Maybe a little flat on the nose would steady it up but not kill the action?
 
Let us know how you get on....
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What about a slot from the nose to belly which the assist could slot into and have a easy break away system attaching the hook to belly, like a litttle twisty wire tie
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what about adding some sort of plastic clip in the groove that would hold the hook in place until the strike and then it's just a simple case of popping the hook back into the groove/clip and casting again.

something kinda like this :

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Yeh mate thats pretty much what I'll be looking at once I get a chance.

Will have to make the clip replaceable though as they would be likely to break before long. I've Got a few ideas on how to achieve this.
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easily done, split pin those in through the nail hole in the top, then very easy to replace
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Capt Asparagus - you mean kinda like a pimped cedar plug that wobbles huh??
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