Single hook design: Is there a Market?
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Topic: Single hook design: Is there a Market?
Posted By: marx
Subject: Single hook design: Is there a Market?
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 5:37pm
I was going to keep this quiet with "dreams" of commercial success down the track. But the more I get into it the more I realise the investment to get this thing started is out of my reach and will be for some time....... although if someone with money and a 3D CNC router and likes the idea discussions are welcome!  or you can be dip-****s and steal it.Just kidding really happy for this to be a hobby but I am simply interested if you guys would like to see a single hook designed stickbait on the market? I've been designing and making stickbaits and one of my designs has been for single hooks as you can see in the vid its got a mint action, and given its swimming in an 8m pool its easy to work. Its the only single hook stickbait I've made as doing the through wire for treble and hook insert is a lot of work. Since playing with that cherry pie and not having any issues with trebles I've been doing treble designs mostly. Will let video and pics say the rest Video is before I painted it. Pictures are painted and its pretty crass but I'm learning.   ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 5:57pm
| looks all good Marx. clean pool will make swimming easier. |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:00pm
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Yeh pool is just about there! Vid was taken about 2 months ago
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:01pm
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Very nice! How about running a groove towards the head or somethnig, to allow you to use an assist hook from the front of the lure, instead of split ringing on the single? With a groove to hold the assist line and a space for the hook eye to sit up into as well, make it a more streamlined presentation of the single barb in the middle there? |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:01pm
| wonder if you could peg the hooks back like that on a standard lure off a staple or some thing? |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:04pm
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You can easily run a rubber band forward from the rear loop if you want to stop the treble from flicking around, but would part of the attraction of the lure be the amount of rattle a loose treble would create? |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:06pm
| possibly I guess. don't hooks work best as a keel point up though ? |
Posted By: Bungel_
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:20pm
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that has a really good looking action. nice work d00d
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:27pm
Only theory (I studied civil engineering.... just to give credit to theory  ) but I want to keep the hook as stable as possible. Single hook definitely acting as a keel but also creating drag which assists in giving the tail end a push up which makes the head dive down. Don't really like the rubber band concept but by using clips you are designing for a specific hook, is this case decoys. Making them formyself no probs but making for other people with different preferences in hooks it becomes a little difficult. Using dental rubber bands now so its not so bulky. heres a photo of the hook insert  ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: Nepptune
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 7:51pm
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Marx - Your skills as a thinking angler, and now lure builder never cease to amaze me mate... beautiful stickbait that, and great action on it....
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 7:58pm
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LIKE IT!.....keep us in the loop with progress.....choice!!!!!! ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:03pm
Cheers brother means a lot.
cheers mate definitely will, got another batch on the go but for treble rigs. Might get back into perfecting the singles design ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Nepptune wrote:Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:04pm
| I want to use singles to biff at beaky things this summer and had similar ideas but hadn't thought to butcher a store bought one with a groove - was going to hang one from the eye like an assist hook and rubber band it around the waist. Was thinking about breakaway hooks for poppers too. I'll look at a couple if you want.... Stu |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:05pm
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looks pretty sweet Marx ,but do you think a king will get some leverage of that rig and just bend the hook or even rip it out.
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:13pm
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Hook is supposed to pop out the rubber band will pop but yeh hasn't been put through the ropes yet. Might just make the insert shallower, at the mo goes deep inside bait and have to do some tricky stuff with through wire to get around. Was supposed to test it out up North last but my reel broke then the fishing slowed. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:37pm
 I see, have played around with the same sort of rig but didn't think to groove the bait out.
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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:43pm
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Mean bro build those suckers up and pop ova and use the lathe to drill them out be a lot easyer ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:37pm
Cheers bro actually gonna stick with two ply construction for now, getting it sussed and pretty much needed for single hook rigging. Still need some tips on painting though ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:39pm
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Sixguns on this forum has painted some mean baits up ,shoot him a PM for some tips Marx
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:45pm
| When jigs first started using assists, then a lot of folks tried the rubber band thing to stop the hooks flying around so much. However, this has died out as it has been proven in the long run not to matter really. I suspect the same would apply to assists on stickbaits too. |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:51pm
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Have to disagree on that, hooks really are the major factor in balancing stickbaits Jigs are heavy so there action isn't effect much by hooks ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:52pm
Where are you fishing out of? These baits won't troll. Will be up by Tutukaka alot from mid-feb ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:57pm
dont no if it died out or the people doing this realized it was stupid and not necessary ,stikbaits are a whole different kettle of fish. ------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 11:44pm
Cool Mark ....Stick with it..trial and error and you will perfect it...they look pretty mean to me------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:51am
Yup, it died out because it was stupid and not necessary.... I thought I kinda said that ? :-) Just wondering though, would a single hook need to be rubber banded in place, even if on an assist? Given the action of these lures, wouldn't having an assist hook slapping away on the body of the lure add a little more rattle to the lure, and perhaps add to the attraction? What about instead of a thru body wire, have a tube allowing you to run assist hook cord right thru the lure to a single hook at the back, and anotehr shorter one from the mid-point of the lure. have these tied off to a ring at the nose of the lure to keep them moderately in place, but then when they hook up, the fish will not be able to use the body of the lure, via the strength of the thru-body wire, as leverage to maybe pop the hook out? |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 10:54am
| More a case of the people doing it didn't understand why and how an assist works. not sure if it matters so much on a stick bait though. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 11:22am
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You need to step into my lab bro. Ideas and perceptions bloom and contort in there. I'll go to the next dimension and ask the Patupairehe what they use, Then bring the concept back to reality in tact.
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 1:07pm
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Never really no if I'll ever make it out of your lab bro if I go in! But yeh sounds good
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 2:18pm
| Good to see what your up to ,keep up the good work , have you thought about doing away with the front hook and maybe weighting the bottom edge ? |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 2:28pm
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Front hook is the most likely to get hit, kings generally hit the head/belly section of there prey. I'm using both belly and tail weights. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 4:48pm
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Nice work marx, good looking bait also. I am thinking a clip of some sort would be the go for your idea, maybe some kind of electrical wire clip that can be glued in to the body, you are making these out of two halves correct? Would have to be reliable enough for the life of the bait though?
I believe the loose assist hooks are easily inhaled by fish, would be interesting to compare hookup ratios with a " fixed " hook like on your bait.
Would more weight in the belly stop the roll you are getting? also how are you weighting the tail as wieght in the dead centre could be moved lower? I presume you have tried all this stuff
 Maybe a little flat on the nose would steady it up but not kill the action?
Let us know how you get on....
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:23am
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What about a slot from the nose to belly which the assist could slot into and have a easy break away system attaching the hook to belly, like a litttle twisty wire tie
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Posted By: EditB
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 5:14pm
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what about adding some sort of plastic clip in the groove that would hold the hook in place until the strike and then it's just a simple case of popping the hook back into the groove/clip and casting again. something kinda like this :  ------------- I do not lie about fishing, I willingly participate in a campaign of misinformation. |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 12:46pm
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Yeh mate thats pretty much what I'll be looking at once I get a chance. Will have to make the clip replaceable though as they would be likely to break before long. I've Got a few ideas on how to achieve this. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: daveo
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 1:12pm
| easily done, split pin those in through the nail hole in the top, then very easy to replace |
Posted By: Bakes
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 1:51pm
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Capt Asparagus - you mean kinda like a pimped cedar plug that wobbles huh??
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