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John, the commercial cry about all those over-abundant pesky snapper is obviously not supported by the rapid decline in the recreational fishery. What I understand is happening is that the by-catch of snapper is an issue because the associated species that share the same general environment (gurnard, trevally, john dory etc) have been so heavily depleted by over exploitation that even the heavily depleted snapper stocks are a by-catch problem when trying to catch the last few gurnard etc. Certainly the recreational catch of these other fish has suffered as badly or even worse than the snapper take.

We have such a huge focus on the snapper that we shouldn't forget how badly damaged the other stocks are as well and we shouldn't let the trawlers do the final decimation of those stocks as a consequence of any decisions made around the snapper stocks. We don't know how the interaction of those stocks affects the overall health of the fishery and they all need some breathing space to rebuild, not just the snapper.

If I remember correctly, the industry has failed to catch their TACC in the SNA1 area for most of these associated species year after year. Most years not even getting close. That surely indicates that the stocks are not even close to whatever MPI is basing their calculations on, and could be under even more threat than the snapper are. The industry finds it convenient to blame over-abundance of snapper for the problem as they have to stop fishing when they run out of by-catch allowance, but in reality they wouldn't catch 4500 tonnes of snapper bycatch targetting the other species, so it is really down to the heavy depletion of those species and bad catch planning.
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Exactly what I have said Dave.do not forget other species.its not all about snapper but appears to have fallen on deaf ears
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Good post Dave. Agree that most i know ,self included have noticed a major decline in snapper being caught in H.G,both in average size and numbers,especially since 2012.
As for other species you mention. They have been in serious decline for much longer.
I recall ,when younger,rowing a dinghy out from Stanley bay and catching plentiful  large Gurnard,sometimes two at at time.
The size often equaled the best of the west coast gurnard.
Try doing that now.
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In the late 70's and early 80's when I bought my first boat we would catch plenty of Gurnard and celebrate the occasional snapper. These days I celebrate the occasional Gurnard, Trevally, or JD because they have become so rare. When you have Inshore species that the industry can't catch their quota of, you just know that the fishery is badly damaged, and  then see that MPI aren't doing anything about it because they aren't bringing the TACC down to match the reality of the fishery. How do MPI justify those types of decisions?
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They don't have to and the media ain't going to press them for an answer. John Key has just come out in full support of Nathan Guy. He's doing a great job apparently and there are no issues. 

With such a weak media that cannot hold the powerful to account - in spite of everything that has been leaked - I don't know what the answer is. 

Biggest news is that giant snake.
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And it wasnt even a John Dory eating snake either. A few big snakes right here --think Beehive.
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All the different stories in the news now about public service corruption (like the one today about Auckland Transport) make you realise that under this National government our public services have transitioned to a point where they regard themselves as being in a position to push their own personal agendas and not be held accountable to the public. Everywhere I deal with the various public ministries that I need to, I get the strong feeling that I have to go begging cap in hand to get any service from them and that they are not at all worried about providing crappy service because they are just following the precedence set by our politicians and likewise have no fear of being held accountable.
There are some notable exceptions where you deal with very good people at the coal face, and even the occasional good department, but overall the impression is that our public services have moved from being 'services' to being bodies that are more focused on their own empowerment and welfare than delivering the service level they are meant to be achieving. Until e sort out the Ministers leading this change, it will only get worse.
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***A chance to tell us what You think about snapper and how it is managed ***
An email will be sent today to the LegaSea and Sport Fishing Council databases asking a few questions about management strategies for the snapper fishery in snapper 1. There is also a chance to add your own comments.
 
The results will be reported back to you and used in our feedback on the Snapper Management Plan to MPI and the Minister. 
 
Tell us what You think - not what we or anyone else on this site says - when the survey comes out.
 
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A great responce to our survey last week.
 
We had 2596 responses to the 12 questions on snapper fisheries and the Management Plan for SNA1. And thanks for the many well considered comments at the end. These gave reasons for supporting particular oppotions and also raised questions and new approaches that need to be considered in future.
 
Our summary of the survey results is online now and a email notice will be going out to the NZSFC and LegaSea database this morning.
 
The survey results have been presented to the Snapper Strategy Group at their final meeting.  The independent chair Sir Ian Barker will summarise the survey in his report to the Minister.
 
A worthwhile exercise. Thanks to all those who contributed.  
 
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