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    Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 7:38pm
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Hi all, new this spring to topwater fishing.

Got myself a Penn 850ss on a crappy Jarvis walker 10-15 kg rod.

Suggestions as to which knots to connect braid to shock leader? Have been told short, tight, PR knot. To glue or not to glue?

What knot to connect leader to stickbait? Crimping?

Any idea I'm open to suggestions (I know buy a new rod.... I'll break this one first :D)

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Hi Lee,
 
A short PR will be fine, you will find a lot of top water fisho's use the FG Knot also it is another friction knot. You won't need glue if your knots are tied properly.
 
A simple connection to your lure would be - UNI Knot to quality swivel, connected to lure via split ring.  
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fg knot for me, but both pr or fg work.
 
uni knot to lure for me.
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Fg is alot slimmer quick enough to tie and no tools
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I thought an FG knot was difficult to tie, but after watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I I found it wasn't difficult at all and didn't need any tools like the PR knot.  I have tested knots that I tied to destruction and the 60lb braid snapped before my knot broke, which is good enough for me.
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I do a one inch PR knot up and back........on the up bit....i put a drop of "maverick bond"........has similar properties to super glue....in that it dries real quick.
Super glue is not good for knots.....its stiff and breaks down and will end in tears.
Maverick bond is flexible/uv resistant and waterproof......a small bottle lasts ages........I use a 4 metre leader and i dont feel the knot go through the guides(esp if lure is hanging half way down the rod on the cast).... ..never had it come apart and its durable.Wink
Never tried the Fg but it seems popular.....so what ever floats your boat bro.
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Cheers guys I reckon that I'm heading towards the pr forth standard start up knot. But that fg looks sweet to tie as there is no bobbin to stuff around with. Might use that for any re-ties on the boat!
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fg or midknot for casting. pr for jigging
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Originally posted by onthedrop onthedrop wrote:

Fg is alot slimmer quick enough to tie and no tools

Sorry but the FG Knot is not slimmer. The only advantage of the FG is no Bobbin required however a very good technique is needed to tie these bad boy knots. The PR knot is simply wrapped around the leader. The FG is crossed over the Leader. Both are finished the same way. 

I have seen some horrible wrapping from FG knots but even begginers can get the PR knot correct, it may go a tad south on the alternating half hitches however.

As RAL and others have said, what ever floats ya boat. 
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Originally posted by KingySlayer KingySlayer wrote:

Originally posted by onthedrop onthedrop wrote:

Fg is alot slimmer quick enough to tie and no tools

Sorry but the FG Knot is not slimmer. The only advantage of the FG is no Bobbin required however a very good technique is needed to tie these bad boy knots. The PR knot is simply wrapped around the leader. The FG is crossed over the Leader. Both are finished the same way. 

I have seen some horrible wrapping from FG knots but even begginers can get the PR knot correct, it may go a tad south on the alternating half hitches however.

As RAL and others have said, what ever floats ya boat. 
 
 
Hey Aaron why don't you do a video how to clip on tying an FG and a PR?Thumbs Up
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this was recommended to be by a charter skipper that seems to know what he's on aboutLOL, am using it an everything now, took 3 goes to get it right but done well is very good, no tools 100% strength, cast beautifully.
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Originally posted by KingySlayer KingySlayer wrote:

Originally posted by onthedrop onthedrop wrote:

Fg is alot slimmer quick enough to tie and no tools

Sorry but the FG Knot is not slimmer. The only advantage of the FG is no Bobbin required however a very good technique is needed to tie these bad boy knots. The PR knot is simply wrapped around the leader. The FG is crossed over the Leader. Both are finished the same way. 

I have seen some horrible wrapping from FG knots but even begginers can get the PR knot correct, it may go a tad south on the alternating half hitches however.

As RAL and others have said, what ever floats ya boat. 
Your right it isnt slimmer! but it is shorter and casts ALOT better . As kevin so eloquently put  FG for casting and PR for jigging. No matter what knot/connection you use it should be the one you are best at tying.Ying Yang
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Originally posted by TIN TUB TIN TUB wrote:

this was recommended to be by a charter skipper that seems to know what he's on aboutLOL, am using it an everything now, took 3 goes to get it right but done well is very good, no tools 100% strength, cast beautifully.
 
I like that GT knot even I can tie that bugga TT...check this out even a wee tool made for GT knots.
 
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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Hi Lee,
 
A short PR will be fine, you will find a lot of top water fisho's use the FG Knot also it is another friction knot. You won't need glue if your knots are tied properly.
 
A simple connection to your lure would be - UNI Knot to quality swivel, connected to lure via split ring.  

HI Lee,

you want to keep it simple, IMO the FG knot is far superior then the PR, reasion being it is quicker, uses less braid, you dont need a gadget of some sort to complete the knot.

I use the FG for all my knots joining braid to mono from soft plastics to jigging/top water and to my daytime sword rig.

a quick break down of my FG is, eight crisscrosses of the braid to mono, one set of opposed half hitches over the mono and braid, spit lube then pull as hard as you can to get the braid crisscrosses to bite in then do another seven opposed half hitches over the mono/braid then eight opposed half hitches up the braid, trim the mono and melt the mono if you like. on the boat i can get this knot done in about 60 seconds and we are back into the action. 
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[/QUOTE] Your right it isnt slimmer! but it is shorter and casts ALOT better . As kevin so eloquently put  FG for casting and PR for jigging. No matter what knot/connection you use it should be the one you are best at tying.Ying Yang[/QUOTE]

Not trying to be a smart arse mate but why not just make the bobbin go around a few less times? As a few have said on here what ever is easier. Personally I would learn both as I have seen Bobbins disappear over the side.

Catchelot... I did think of doing this. I wuldnt mind putting the FG vs PR knot to some sort of test?

I really rate the FG for soft plastics as its nearly impossible to spin a large bobbin with 8lb braid. 


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I have never had a FG fail or fowl on guides (I tie similar to TINTUBS link) hence I don't see the need to change... Ill use pr on my sword rig as I do think they are probably beter for longer fights..
 
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Well gents,

I'm going to practice my fg. Anyway I can definitely see the benefit in knowing more than one knot. I'm pretty good at forgetting stuff. Checking the tides a cast off the rocks may be on the cards in the next few days ;)
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Originally posted by KingySlayer KingySlayer wrote:


Your right it isnt slimmer! but it is shorter and casts ALOT better . As kevin so eloquently put  FG for casting and PR for jigging. No matter what knot/connection you use it should be the one you are best at tying.Ying Yang[/QUOTE]

Not trying to be a smart arse mate but why not just make the bobbin go around a few less times? As a few have said on here what ever is easier. Personally I would learn both as I have seen Bobbins disappear over the side.

Catchelot... I did think of doing this. I wuldnt mind putting the FG vs PR knot to some sort of test?

I really rate the FG for soft plastics as its nearly impossible to spin a large bobbin with 8lb braid. 


[/QUOTE] Not trying to be a smart arse either!  And you answered your own question !  You dont need a bobbin! 
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