knots for stickbaiting
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Printed Date: 07 Jun 2026 at 4:09pm
Topic: knots for stickbaiting
Posted By: climbaboy
Subject: knots for stickbaiting
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 7:38pm
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Hi all, new this spring to topwater fishing. Got myself a Penn 850ss on a crappy Jarvis walker 10-15 kg rod. Suggestions as to which knots to connect braid to shock leader? Have been told short, tight, PR knot. To glue or not to glue? What knot to connect leader to stickbait? Crimping? Any idea I'm open to suggestions (I know buy a new rod.... I'll break this one first :D) Cheers Lee ------------- "she says..i need different shoes for different outfits...I'm appling said rule to fishing apparatus.... |
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 7:48pm
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Hi Lee, A short PR will be fine, you will find a lot of top water fisho's use the FG Knot also it is another friction knot. You won't need glue if your knots are tied properly. A simple connection to your lure would be - UNI Knot to quality swivel, connected to lure via split ring. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: alan syme
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 9:57pm
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fg knot for me, but both pr or fg work. uni knot to lure for me.
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Posted By: willis likes to Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2013 at 7:31am
| PR. |
Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2013 at 8:36am
Fg is alot slimmer quick enough to tie and no tools 
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Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2013 at 9:03am
| I thought an FG knot was difficult to tie, but after watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I I found it wasn't difficult at all and didn't need any tools like the PR knot. I have tested knots that I tied to destruction and the 60lb braid snapped before my knot broke, which is good enough for me. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 2:17am
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I do a one inch PR knot up and back........on the up bit....i put a drop of "maverick bond"........has similar properties to super glue....in that it dries real quick. Super glue is not good for knots.....its stiff and breaks down and will end in tears. Maverick bond is flexible/uv resistant and waterproof......a small bottle lasts ages........I use a 4 metre leader and i dont feel the knot go through the guides(esp if lure is hanging half way down the rod on the cast).... ..never had it come apart and its durable.  Never tried the Fg but it seems popular.....so what ever floats your boat bro. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: climbaboy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 9:16am
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Cheers guys I reckon that I'm heading towards the pr forth standard start up knot. But that fg looks sweet to tie as there is no bobbin to stuff around with. Might use that for any re-ties on the boat! ------------- "she says..i need different shoes for different outfits...I'm appling said rule to fishing apparatus.... |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 11:04am
| FG !!!!! |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 12:12pm
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fg or midknot for casting. pr for jigging -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 12:43pm
Sorry but the FG Knot is not slimmer. The only advantage of the FG is no Bobbin required however a very good technique is needed to tie these bad boy knots. The PR knot is simply wrapped around the leader. The FG is crossed over the Leader. Both are finished the same way. I have seen some horrible wrapping from FG knots but even begginers can get the PR knot correct, it may go a tad south on the alternating half hitches however. As RAL and others have said, what ever floats ya boat. ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
onthedrop wrote:Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 2:10pm
Hey Aaron why don't you do a video how to clip on tying an FG and a PR?  ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 2:22pm
this was recommended to be by a charter skipper that seems to know what he's on about , am using it an everything now, took 3 goes to get it right but done well is very good, no tools 100% strength, cast beautifully. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R3_znSAPz8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R3_znSAPz8 ------------- ther ain't nothin' in the world a t-bone shuffle wont cure. |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 2:34pm
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 5:05pm
I like that GT knot even I can tie that bugga TT...check this out even a wee tool made for GT knots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J43mk2RMIw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J43mk2RMIw ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: Nomad
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 5:38pm
HI Lee, you want to keep it simple, IMO the FG knot is far superior then the PR, reasion being it is quicker, uses less braid, you dont need a gadget of some sort to complete the knot. I use the FG for all my knots joining braid to mono from soft plastics to jigging/top water and to my daytime sword rig. a quick break down of my FG is, eight crisscrosses of the braid to mono, one set of opposed half hitches over the mono and braid, spit lube then pull as hard as you can to get the braid crisscrosses to bite in then do another seven opposed half hitches over the mono/braid then eight opposed half hitches up the braid, trim the mono and melt the mono if you like. on the boat i can get this knot done in about 60 seconds and we are back into the action. ------------- Ben Pokaia <a href="http://www.nomadsportfishing.co.nz"> 
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Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 5:48pm
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[/QUOTE] Your right it isnt slimmer! but it is shorter and casts ALOT better . As kevin so eloquently put FG for casting and PR for jigging. No matter what knot/connection you use it should be the one you are best at tying. [/QUOTE]
Not trying to be a smart arse mate but why not just make the bobbin go around a few less times? As a few have said on here what ever is easier. Personally I would learn both as I have seen Bobbins disappear over the side. Catchelot... I did think of doing this. I wuldnt mind putting the FG vs PR knot to some sort of test? I really rate the FG for soft plastics as its nearly impossible to spin a large bobbin with 8lb braid. ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2013 at 5:59pm
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I have never had a FG fail or fowl on guides (I tie similar to TINTUBS link) hence I don't see the need to change... Ill use pr on my sword rig as I do think they are probably beter for longer fights.. zac
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Posted By: climbaboy
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2013 at 9:26pm
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Well gents, I'm going to practice my fg. Anyway I can definitely see the benefit in knowing more than one knot. I'm pretty good at forgetting stuff. Checking the tides a cast off the rocks may be on the cards in the next few days ;) Lee ------------- "she says..i need different shoes for different outfits...I'm appling said rule to fishing apparatus.... |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2013 at 8:47am
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Not trying to be a smart arse mate but why not just make the bobbin go around a few less times? As a few have said on here what ever is easier. Personally I would learn both as I have seen Bobbins disappear over the side.
Catchelot... I did think of doing this. I wuldnt mind putting the FG vs PR knot to some sort of test?
I really rate the FG for soft plastics as its nearly impossible to spin a large bobbin with 8lb braid.
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Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2013 at 3:55pm
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Lol you dont get it do you. ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: DLS
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2013 at 4:36pm
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Yip PR for Jigging, FG for Casting. Listen to Ben mate as he catches more Kingis than most do a year on Topwater. |
Posted By: Stinkbait
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2013 at 6:16pm
| DLS must of miss read Ben post because he said fg knot for everything, not just casting I've found this link think it may help http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4knotreview.htm |
Posted By: DLS
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2013 at 8:32pm
| Nah not really. Listen to Ben as in the FG knot is the shizzle. The only reason I say PR for jigging is I have more time to tie them and if I get busted off then it's straight to FG anyway(plus I have a bobbin and might as well use it). Have done many tests on the FG and it's solid even after only doing the two locking half hitches it aint going nowhere, and just keeps biting. Any half hitches after that are reassurance I reckon but you have to keep it tight and neat otherwise they(half hitches) will unravel. Have been tying FG's for customers etc for a couple years now and not one issue. The fastest and best casting knot for sure!! |
Posted By: Gruntled
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 8:49am
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PR knot all the way, runs through the guides pretty well but I run short leaders. I hate tying knots in a hot bite therefore spare reel and 2 spare spools all ready to go! ------------- I might have Alzheimer's, but at least I don't have Alzheimer's. |
Posted By: home bouy
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 8:45pm
| What about knots attaching the lure to leader?? |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 3:08am
I hate tying knots in a hot bite therefore spare reel and 2 spare spools all ready to go.......same for me.....i love spare spools.....tidy up afterwards ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 3:15am
If using a carpenter lure=uni straight from leader straight to lure others= uni to NT size 1 or 2 swivel(or similar/ball bearing) and split ring owner 8/9/10/11(depend on lure size)...split ring to lure.......need split ring pliers. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 9:41am
3-4 turn uni or clinch BUT go through lure twice with leader and make sure leader sits flat before tying uni ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Eastender
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 12:08pm
Would the ag chain knot be of use for top water? I have trouble tying decent uni/clinch knots in leader weights over 80lb.
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 12:46pm
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Definately not ag chain knot. way to big. use supple leader as it is heaps easier to tie knots in as well. ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 5:31pm
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make sure you test which connection you use from leader to stickbait, different connections change the lures performance dramaticaly practice at the wharf first if you can get carpenter stickbaits they are the bizz go see yeehaa boys got mean selection other good brands too they will tell you how to rig them correctly makes all the difference |
Posted By: Eastender
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 7:02pm
Cheers, thought that might be the case.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 8:05pm
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FG for soft supple leader = casting PR for heavy fluorocarbon leader = Jigging Knots applicable to the line ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |