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saw this on the TV 1 news. perhaps a bit of balance from what was obviously a DOC driven article.
In the waikato lakes the Rudd are increasingly being accepted as an important food source for the brown trout perhaps explaining their growth in  numbers and size. rainbow trout have also been found to have eaten juvenille Rudd. if perch are in the west coast lakes their growth will also benefit from this food source and could allow for greater growth from them targetting the Rudd.
Where the Rudd popluatons have been accused of damaging water ways there is a lack of natural predators something which is not lacking in waters where there is a spread of fish in varied sizes and species.
Remember there are elements in DOC that would like to see all introduced fish species destroyed. taupo is a great revenue gatherer for them sounds a bit too faced. 
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EDIT: I think it's a shame that more and more introduced fish are being released into our waterways. Especially while we know little about how they will affect the health and balance of such waterways. Best just to keep them out really, what does anyone really gain by them being there?
Trout and salmon are well established in most/many NZ lakes and rivers, a shame maybe, but they are here to stay. The spread of potentially noxious, introduced species is not something that I can easily stomach.
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Remember it was the trout that destroyed a number of native NZ fish so again balance please DOC a fish that gives you considerable revenue at the same time. Who is saying that anglers spread the fish?
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regardless of what we say about these fish they are a pest in the south and most of the north island- if people keep going the way they are we will have no fish or pristine water ways left, next thing you will be saying you want the Cane Toad here and you would probably release them .
I think what this person has done (and the ones in the north who release carp and others) is just stupid. 

Just wait for it next thing there will didymo in the north island as some one will find carp or rudd or another pest eats it
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What we need is someone to release Smallmouth bass... or large mouth bass in northern lakes, to clean up them pesky rudd. Now that would be very cool :-)
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CA nope what we need is mongolian trout, it will eat rudd for brekky lunch and dinner and as a midnight snack :). then we can go back to heavy weight fly rod's once again :) think of the money they would make... 
small 5lb fish Vs 200lb fish i know what one i would like 
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cant understand it more coastline than you can shake a stick at and some twat wants to catch goldfish.
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Not necessarily coarse anglers spreading the fish. Juvenile rudd are quite ornamental. They'll survive
in a bucket quite happily. Kids will keep them whilst camping somewhere, take them home, let them go later..

Then there are the people who think they actually clean up waterways by eating weed etc.


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Annoting that the TV1 programme immediately jumped on coarse anglers as spreading the fish, based on what? some of us actually try to improve waterways and opportunities for anglers.  Of coarse DOC will have a go at anyone who contradicts what they want.
Perhaps they should have acted faster with the discovery of didymo along with biosecurity NZ and the problem may not be what it is now.
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Didymo will arrive in the north island the same way it spread round the south island so quickly. On the feathers of water fowl, ducks, and geese. A goose can fly from Blenhiem to the waiarapa in around 2 hours, didymo can survive for weeks on damp boots, or is DOC just using Trout fishermen as an excuse?
 How the #@#$ are DOC going to find the idoit responseible for the latest find if in their opinion it happened 5ish years ago?
 OOOPS i forgot, they're a bunch of dreamers LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 
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Originally posted by o Neill o Neill wrote:

  some of us actually try to improve waterways and opportunities for anglers. 
 
How exactly do you do this?
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I'll Pm you with the details once my presentation is complete this week.
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why not put it up for all to see - pretty sure a few would like to see how you and others improve and protect the water ways and what you propose for NZ
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The proposal needs to go to the individuals and supporting organisation first then to F and G on the same day so that everyone who will be involved in the decision making process and possible remit are completly informed first then it will be their decision in regards releasing information. there is nothing secret about this it is simply due regard for those people involved so they are all informed. 
In terms of what has happened in the past I've written articles for F and G and made a TV programme on the project.
Again once the information is forwarded to the interested bodies and individuals I'm more than happy to PM anyone interested.
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but why PM people if its going to be made public post it- also I presume what you are doing is for your region only not for the whole of NZ.
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I can give anyone interested the details once those who are involved have the information, and yes it is for the waikato/Auckland region.
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does your proposal go along the lines of eliminate all coarse fish? Or remove the need for a fish and game license to catch noxious pests
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I think its probably a trout angler who having seen how much large trout like them as a diet...thought he would have a crack with them for his local trout??? Then what would he do with the left over livies at the end of the day????

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This has happened many times before, especially with pike anglers in the UK. There was a case a few years ago where a well known pike angler (Nige Williams) and his mate got caught with a load of live carp on their way to do a bit of pike fishing in Ireland, at that time Ireland had no carp in their waters except for a couple of "commercial" fisheries.
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