What a shame...
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Printed Date: 28 Jan 2026 at 10:51pm
Topic: What a shame...
Posted By: B.C.
Subject: What a shame...
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 6:39pm
| http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1301/S00406/selfish-act-threatens-west-coast-lake.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1301/S00406/selfish-act-threatens-west-coast-lake.htm |
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Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 7:01pm
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saw this on the TV 1 news. perhaps a bit of balance from what was obviously a DOC driven article. In the waikato lakes the Rudd are increasingly being accepted as an important food source for the brown trout perhaps explaining their growth in numbers and size. rainbow trout have also been found to have eaten juvenille Rudd. if perch are in the west coast lakes their growth will also benefit from this food source and could allow for greater growth from them targetting the Rudd. Where the Rudd popluatons have been accused of damaging water ways there is a lack of natural predators something which is not lacking in waters where there is a spread of fish in varied sizes and species. Remember there are elements in DOC that would like to see all introduced fish species destroyed. taupo is a great revenue gatherer for them sounds a bit too faced.
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Posted By: B.C.
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 7:14pm
| EDIT: I think it's a shame that more and more introduced fish are being released into our waterways. Especially while we know little about how they will affect the health and balance of such waterways. Best just to keep them out really, what does anyone really gain by them being there?Trout and salmon are well established in most/many NZ lakes and rivers, a shame maybe, but they are here to stay. The spread of potentially noxious, introduced species is not something that I can easily stomach. |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 7:23pm
| Remember it was the trout that destroyed a number of native NZ fish so again balance please DOC a fish that gives you considerable revenue at the same time. Who is saying that anglers spread the fish? |
Posted By: scuzzymoto
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 11:04pm
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regardless of what we say about these fish they are a pest in the south and most of the north island- if people keep going the way they are we will have no fish or pristine water ways left, next thing you will be saying you want the Cane Toad here and you would probably release them . I think what this person has done (and the ones in the north who release carp and others) is just stupid. Just wait for it next thing there will didymo in the north island as some one will find carp or rudd or another pest eats it ------------- "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” Mark Twain |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:10am
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What we need is someone to release Smallmouth bass... or large mouth bass in northern lakes, to clean up them pesky rudd. Now that would be very cool :-) ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:37am
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CA nope what we need is mongolian trout, it will eat rudd for brekky lunch and dinner and as a midnight snack :). then we can go back to heavy weight fly rod's once again :) think of the money they would make... small 5lb fish Vs 200lb fish i know what one i would like ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">  MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 7:15am
| cant understand it more coastline than you can shake a stick at and some twat wants to catch goldfish. |
Posted By: FishMan
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 10:42am
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Not necessarily coarse anglers spreading the fish. Juvenile rudd are quite ornamental. They'll survive in a bucket quite happily. Kids will keep them whilst camping somewhere, take them home, let them go later.. Then there are the people who think they actually clean up waterways by eating weed etc. |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 2:02pm
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Annoting that the TV1 programme immediately jumped on coarse anglers as spreading the fish, based on what? some of us actually try to improve waterways and opportunities for anglers. Of coarse DOC will have a go at anyone who contradicts what they want. Perhaps they should have acted faster with the discovery of didymo along with biosecurity NZ and the problem may not be what it is now.
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Posted By: southernwanderer
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 2:14pm
Didymo will arrive in the north island the same way it spread round the south island so quickly. On the feathers of water fowl, ducks, and geese. A goose can fly from Blenhiem to the waiarapa in around 2 hours, didymo can survive for weeks on damp boots, or is DOC just using Trout fishermen as an excuse? How the mailto:#@#$" rel="nofollow - #@#$ are DOC going to find the idoit responseible for the latest find if in their opinion it happened 5ish years ago? OOOPS i forgot, they're a bunch of dreamers 
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Posted By: B.C.
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 2:42pm
How exactly do you do this?
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o Neill wrote:Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 3:27pm
| I'll Pm you with the details once my presentation is complete this week. |
Posted By: scuzzymoto
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 3:45pm
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why not put it up for all to see - pretty sure a few would like to see how you and others improve and protect the water ways and what you propose for NZ ------------- "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” Mark Twain |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 4:14pm
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The proposal needs to go to the individuals and supporting organisation first then to F and G on the same day so that everyone who will be involved in the decision making process and possible remit are completly informed first then it will be their decision in regards releasing information. there is nothing secret about this it is simply due regard for those people involved so they are all informed. In terms of what has happened in the past I've written articles for F and G and made a TV programme on the project. Again once the information is forwarded to the interested bodies and individuals I'm more than happy to PM anyone interested.
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Posted By: scuzzymoto
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 4:20pm
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but why PM people if its going to be made public post it- also I presume what you are doing is for your region only not for the whole of NZ. ------------- "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” Mark Twain |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 4:33pm
| I can give anyone interested the details once those who are involved have the information, and yes it is for the waikato/Auckland region. |
Posted By: tab47
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 5:18pm
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does your proposal go along the lines of eliminate all coarse fish? Or remove the need for a fish and game license to catch noxious pests |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 10:11am
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I think its probably a trout angler who having seen how much large trout like them as a diet...thought he would have a crack with them for his local trout??? Then what would he do with the left over livies at the end of the day???? ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 10:23am
| This has happened many times before, especially with pike anglers in the UK. There was a case a few years ago where a well known pike angler (Nige Williams) and his mate got caught with a load of live carp on their way to do a bit of pike fishing in Ireland, at that time Ireland had no carp in their waters except for a couple of "commercial" fisheries. |
Posted By: B.C.
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 10:23am
Or even potentially a coarse tackle merchant who thinks that the spread of noxious fish, which increases the number of potential coarse (gold) fishing locations, may lead to increased sales?
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Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 10:36am
Could be but I dont know anyone down there...that sells coarse tackle nah defo a Trout angler....and a bucket of livies...or maybe just wanted them to grow like our Waikato spotties???
Or maybe it was DoC so they could stir up a bit of propaganda....now that makes sense....
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Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 1:55pm
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I'm fairly new to coarse fishing and the polotics that surround it here in NZ, but I can't see why any coarse angler would want to release rudd into that lake. What I can believe is the theory that KCT has come up with, that of game anglers using rudd as live bait to catch the trout. Nobody has mentioned the fact that the rudd could have entered the lake via birds, eggs carried by birds is a well known means of transferring fish from one area to another, but this always seems to escape DOC's way of thinking. I know fish have been transferred extensively around NZ in the past, it's well documented, but does it still happen today ? As far as someone doing it with a vested interest in selling tackle is concerned, forget it. I know from experience that trying to sell coarse tack to anglers over here is as hard as selling oil to the arabs.
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Posted By: B.C.
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 2:13pm
| Ummm, yeah. It was kind of toungue-in-cheek, mate... |
Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 3:07pm
 ------------- Waikato Pest Monitor |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2013 at 5:14pm
| This article from five years ago (same time period as the Rudd ) shows there is still some work to be done; http://www.doc.govt.nz/about-doc/news/newsletters/canterbury-doc/archive/january-2007/three-illegal-fish-releases-in-christchurch/" rel="nofollow - http://www.doc.govt.nz/about-doc/news/newsletters/canterbury-doc/archive/january-2007/three-illegal-fish-releases-in-christchurch/ |
Posted By: Plonker
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 2:05pm
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I saw the TV1 news item last week. Looks like DOC and F&G have pulled all there staff off catching scum bags spearing in lake Pupuke and sent them to the west coast to kill Rudd and catch the scum bag coarse fisherman who let them go.. |
Posted By: tab47
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 2:17pm
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Nothing wrong with spearing in Pupuke |
Posted By: Plonker
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 3:49pm
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Here's the news item http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/noxious-fish-threatens-west-coast-wildlife-5324047" rel="nofollow - http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/noxious-fish-threatens-west-coast-wildlife-5324047 |
Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 4:00pm
Hi Plonker, where do you get your evidence from that it was a "scum bag coarse fisherman" who released these fish into the lake ? ------------- Waikato Pest Monitor |
Posted By: Plonker
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 4:16pm
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Well they are the number one suspects by Doc in the news item and I doubt it would be a scum bag spearfisherman as they only hunt in lake Pupuke. |
Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 6:05pm
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If DoC says it was "coarse fishermen" that transferred the fish into the lake then it must be true, number one suspects with nothing else taken into consideration, I suppose coarse fishermen are an easy target to blame, after all the majority are just a bunch of ex pat whinging poms. ------------- Waikato Pest Monitor |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 6:43pm
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watching ........ |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 8:32pm
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Now Im lost ...what are we watching???????? ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 8:50pm
Sounds like a feasable conclusion to draw...knotted hankies at 20 paces! ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Plonker
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 9:57am
There seems to be a bit of history with Rudd and coarse fisherman. "Rudd were illegally imported into New Zealand in 1967 from Europe with a consignment of vegetables by ‘Coarse Anglers’." From the Scoop story that started this debate off. |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:06am
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Anyone want to buy a livebait pump?? I have several models run on 12v or 9v batteries LOL
Will offer discounts to trout anglers and Green Party members.... ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: 1achuck
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 11:16am
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"Rudd were illegally imported into New Zealand in 1967 from Europe with a consignment of vegetables by ‘Coarse Anglers’." "Rudd were illegally imported into New Zealand in 1967 from Europe with a consignment of vegetables known as ‘Coarse Anglers’." ------------- Waikato Pest Monitor |
Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 2:49pm
| end of the day no1 will ever know how they got there. they will never get rid of them if they've been in there for 5 years. maybe DOC put them in there themselves to justify the start of some water poisoning scheme that they have for trout so they will go around poisoning rudd everywhere and take out the trout. obviously they would never do this in taupo as they make to much money from that. DOC's goal is 100% elimanation of all introduced species. why do you think the 1080 the hell out of the bush? ive worked alongside DOC with the rena oil spill and most the workers were pig headed arrogant and among the most stupid people ive ever met. handling birds rough as, look for penguin nests below the high tide mark, hello penguins are not fish how the babys guna breath in there underwater nest at high tide. anyway DOC is a joke dont trust a word they say or a thing they do |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 3:31pm
You know thats not the most far fetched thing Ive ever read ........and would I say DoC are beyond such low tactics????.........errrr NO ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 4:09pm
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im not saying thats whats going on here but its definatly possible. it is the sort of tactic doc would pull in my opinion. my point is though no1 will ever know who or how they got there. you cant just assume they were put there by a coarsefisher |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 9:53pm
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Straight up, are you serious? Man, I've heard it all; this really takes the cake. Ever heard of Occum's razor? ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:02pm
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herd of cows???? ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:18pm
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murder of crows? Company of parrots? Dribble of coarse fisher....men? Where are we going with this? ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:25pm
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interest in topic by moderator?
surely not....
Dont know lost me at ".......watching" ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:36pm
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KCT, Hey, I just moderate the spearo section, I ain't got no jurisdiction here. I'm still entitled to an opinion though and mine is that trying to deflect blame via some DOC/ Twig and tweet/ greeny conspiracy is clutching at straws on a hitherto uncharted level of delusion. ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:44pm
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LOL If it wasnt DoC then Im going with the CIA .....
As they used to say on a well known fishing show... "The truth is out there" ...or was it "another nice snapper"
To be honest couldnt give a rats arse either way......im about as interested in the politics of who did/said/what as I am in the policies of the Labour Party...and that aint a lot....
Where was this lake? West Coast so we are talking Raglan right????
Maybe they were there all the time....?????
As long as nobdoy finds the gudgeon we are all happy  ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: scuzzymoto
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:45pm
lol- its happened does not matter how or when just how it has to be fixed- kill the lot of them make some good berley and compost for the garden- should also compost all the carp-whoops they are starting to do that now,  ------------- "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” Mark Twain |
Posted By: viper
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:54pm
 Bored again some old crap.When is the other site coming back on line KC
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 12:21am
KCT I'm just letting everyone know that this thread has caught my interest in an attempt to make people consider what they are typing before they say something stupid and get suspended. |
Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 10:49am
| i never said doc did this although i do think its entirely possible. all im saying is they've been in there so long now they'l never know how they got there and i doubt they'l ever get rid of them, you cant hold coarse fishers responsible for this. Even if it was proven to be a coarse fisher(as in 1 admitted it coz its not like the cops have the skills to actually find the person responsable, if it was a person and not a bird). Thats like saying all snapper fisherman are people that keep undersize fish or throw dead smaller legal fish back when they have there limit and want to keep bigger fish or all spearos shoot all the big breeding snapper and undersize kingfish or all hunters shoot there mates. theres guna be people breaking the rules or doing things that people frown up on with all aspects of our sport. A few bad apples dont make everyone involved bad. im a coarse fisher, a trout fisher, do all forms of land based saltwater fishing and a little bit of boat. I love chasing anything with fins and people who cant appreciate all forms on fishing for what they are are missing out on a whole lot of fun. just 4 the record im not a pommy git 100% kiwi all the way and you spearos are great fun to wind the pommy gits up with. but back to the rudd once they are there they are pretty much there 4 good. spear em, foul hook them, throw bread on the surface and shoot em with shoot guns( if your not in a residential area) do what you will. they are a pest but hey so are possums, deer, rabbits etc and they're fun to "catch"(shoot) just have fun out there. and i dont think they'd be overly great berley but rudd berley would have to be better than none |
Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 10:51am
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whats occums razor? |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 12:31am
KCT the lake is Lake Ianthe, it's down in the south Island. For what its worth, rudd are great snapper baits  |
Posted By: KiwiCoarseTackle
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 8:20am
Smudge yup I got that, just being a bit tongue in cheek over the whole thread....same old same old....
If it wasnt any of the above could it of been the Inca's????? Maybe thought they were gold coloured so stocking up for the end of the world??? Or maybe one of those mad "Preppers"????? ------------- Need coarse fishing tackle??? Give me a yell |
Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 10:04am
| not many snapper down south. im sure they'd work as bait on blue cod though |
Posted By: o Neill
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 11:46am
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Back in the 1970s when a packet of trevally was $5 trout was the big snapper bait!With the price of Octi now it might be worth a go again!
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