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    Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:11pm
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i just can not fathom our justice system....

can someone explain to me why they are letting these people out...

i just read this,

A man who murdered his wife and tried to kill her friend has been paroled.

He would also be electronically monitored and on a 7pm-7am curfew.

He had been assessed as being at a moderate to low risk of reoffending and, while in prison had had no misconducts or incidents and had had a minimum security qualification for a long time.

He has shown by his behavior ... that he is no longer an undue risk to the safety of the community and we propose releasing him accordingly,'' 

i cant believe you can get out this early, or even at all after removing another person from this planet....
what sort of deterrent is this Government setting...who gives a rats 'A' how much it cost to keep them behind bars...
we should lock them up and place them on the AK Islands or someplace where they wont have TV/Internet or Phones, why do we even bother about how they feel.....

 
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Do we no why he killed his wife......i feel like killing the person that stole my lures game poles and electronics of our boat but at this stage i choose not to act out on it.....Will this feeling last long im not sure.but keep an eye on the news..i think erick it is so easy to judge others with out the full story.
As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper.......
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sh.t that sucks mike. specially at this time of the year bro .. hope ya find the mutha f...kers ..
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PS..best no to mention killing anyone in here the moderators seem to take a dislike to that tone of talk..even though I know how you feel (having been silenced in the past for using that type of comment ) Freedom of speech is not always allowedCensored
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As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper.......
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Totally agree with you Lethal, why have laws, lets just rely on how a judge is feeling on the day.
 
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Originally posted by Catchit Catchit wrote:

Totally agree with you Lethal, why have laws, lets just rely on how a judge is feeling on the day.
 
Human life is quickly losing its value.


You are not wrong and even more so if you are a young child ......
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16 year old rapes and nearly murders a five year old child.  With a bit of luck, [on our side.] he'll serve ten.

Plastic bag or wire noose?  I'd leave both in his cell, shut the door and walk away, never to return.

And yes, I do believe in the death penalty.  Rid society of a lot of waste
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Mowerman, behave! Big smile 

It's all about context, freedom of speech vs libel litigation. Are you going to front up in court for what you say?


We do treat minor crimes too lightly in NZ imo.  The guy who stole Batfastards lures needs a real good spanking. Deal with the small stuff otherwise we're only encouraging more serious crime. Personally I'm in favour of capital punishment for murder, but on the other hand we don't know the full facts of that case.

Got to say though I do share Lethals thoughts.


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Originally posted by Bob.f Bob.f wrote:

16 year old rapes and nearly murders a five year old child.  With a bit of luck, [on our side.] he'll serve ten.

Plastic bag or wire noose?  I'd leave both in his cell, shut the door and walk away, never to return.

And yes, I do believe in the death penalty.  Rid society of a lot of waste
 

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Yeah, because we all want to end up like these countries; Bahrain, Bangladesh, North Korea, Sudan Equatorial, Guinea, Iran, Libya, Syria and the good old USA that kill their citizens?

Because not one of those countries ever got it wrong either and killed an innocent farther or friend?

Lock them up for life but the death sentence is brutal, archaic and has no place in a country like in NZ.

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i think if its a clear cut case, the person was caught in the act, the death penalty certainly has it's place, bullets cost money, yet a piece of rope can be used time and time again.
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Watch Michael Portillo ex-mp from UK, examines very carefully the options for the death penalty.

You'll have to forgive the spelling.  But think it's Hypobaric { you get air but gradually no oxygen.} death is gentle, no panic/fear or blood.  More humane than some would deserve.  But it's about ridding society of those that cannot and will not abide by the rules.
So if you want to keep spending 200,000 dollars a year on these creatures, more fool you.

And that creature I mentioned earlier.  Will never reform.  Never be cured and never not be a threat to others
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Originally posted by Havok Havok wrote:

Yeah, because we all want to end up like these countries; Bahrain, Bangladesh, North Korea, Sudan Equatorial, Guinea, Iran, Libya, Syria and the good old USA that kill their citizens?

Because not one of those countries ever got it wrong either and killed an innocent farther or friend?

Lock them up for life but the death sentence is brutal, archaic and has no place in a country like in NZ.



somebody that thinks this through
good on ya

I suppose we could cut of a hand for theft.... then support them on welfare
take a persons life and support their families (Arthur Allen Thomas)(I forget his name but the guy that was jailed for killing his family in Dunedin)
stone a women to death for being raped

Im please we live in NZ and not some of the other countries that have "strict" legal system
Not perfect but in general not evil either.
Personally, I belive that any theft should be paid back in work for the victum and that a lot of our roads should be built by hand.
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barrie go to singapore they have a strict legal system and it works great have walked up the main street  with cars mercs porshes etc parked with keys still in the ignition  it comes back to people having respect for others or being too scared to commit crime they need to be taught as kids corpral punishment it works did on me and the government not being afraid to use the big stick the advantage of the death penalty is that it is brutal fear factor and what about all the poor fish you catch . trying to get some one to work for you without some threat is ny on inpossible . i think that people need to stand up to more of the **** that happens these bussiness crimes  need harsher sentances as well thats me for the morning 
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In no way am I suggesting lighter penalties at all. In fact I would suggest harder which is why I mentioned our roads being built by hand ie; hard labour.
Im just not in favour of the death penalty as there have been too many "mistakes" in the past.
To me the death penalty is similar to stoning a person to death or cutting off their hand.
Hard labour for 6 days a week is somthing that would make me pay a traffic fine or burglary.
Being against the death penalty should not be confused with being  "light" on crime
You are correct mind you that the tought of the death penalty and crooked justice system would stop me ever visiting a country like Barli or Thailand
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That 16yr old ******* wont serve ten, but then what the other inmates will do to him (and hopefully the screws allow it) within the first year will be well worth it. 



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You also need to think about what would constitute the death sentence?

Murder? sure. Rape? maybe? Manslaughter? why not.

People often talk about the death sentence being a deterrent to crime - then how come the USA is rife with crime even with their three strikes policy and death sentence in some states?

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I don't consider the death penalty to be a deterrent.  It is a means the ridding society that have refused to conform to the laws.  The worst thing to do to some body is to take away everything they have, to kill someone is to take the future, past, dreams and hopes.  The victim was somebodies child, they hurt that echoes out from such a terrible crime can never be reconciled.
There have been mistakes in the past, hopefully they are few and far between now.
Look back over recent cases, the brutal slaying of a university student?  The gunning down of three police officers in one go?  {at least he did himself.} the slaying of a farmer?  Need I go on?
These creatures have foregone the right to be considered human.  They are maggots that will continue to feed off society for as long as they are alive.
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