is it ok to Murder?
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Topic: is it ok to Murder?
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: is it ok to Murder?
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:11pm
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i just can not fathom our justice system.... can someone explain to me why they are letting these people out... i just read this, A man who murdered his wife and tried to kill her friend has been paroled. He would also be electronically monitored and on a 7pm-7am curfew. He had been assessed as being at a moderate to low risk of reoffending and, while in prison had had no misconducts or incidents and had had a minimum security qualification for a long time. He has shown by his behavior ... that he is no longer an undue risk to the safety of the community and we propose releasing him accordingly,''i cant believe you can get out this early, or even at all after removing another person from this planet.... what sort of deterrent is this Government setting...who gives a rats 'A' how much it cost to keep them behind bars... we should lock them up and place them on the AK Islands or someplace where they wont have TV/Internet or Phones, why do we even bother about how they feel..... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
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Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:19pm
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Do we no why he killed his wife......i feel like killing the person that stole my lures game poles and electronics of our boat but at this stage i choose not to act out on it.....Will this feeling last long im not sure.but keep an eye on the news..i think erick it is so easy to judge others with out the full story. ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:28pm
| sh.t that sucks mike. specially at this time of the year bro .. hope ya find the mutha f...kers .. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:28pm
PS..best no to mention killing anyone in here the moderators seem to take a dislike to that tone of talk..even though I know how you feel (having been silenced in the past for using that type of comment ) Freedom of speech is not always allowed
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Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:33pm
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Will not have to look to far ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: Catchit
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:39pm
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Totally agree with you Lethal, why have laws, lets just rely on how a judge is feeling on the day. Human life is quickly losing its value. ------------- "We gave Sir Peter a knighthood," Mr Key said, "And if we could give him a second one, we would." |
Posted By: nylg1
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:50pm
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Catchit wrote:Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 7:57pm
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16 year old rapes and nearly murders a five year old child. With a bit of luck, [on our side.] he'll serve ten. Plastic bag or wire noose? I'd leave both in his cell, shut the door and walk away, never to return. And yes, I do believe in the death penalty. Rid society of a lot of waste ------------- Si ego cado is est non terminus |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 9:34pm
Mowerman, behave!  It's all about context, freedom of speech vs libel litigation. Are you going to front up in court for what you say? We do treat minor crimes too lightly in NZ imo. The guy who stole Batfastards lures needs a real good spanking. Deal with the small stuff otherwise we're only encouraging more serious crime. Personally I'm in favour of capital punishment for murder, but on the other hand we don't know the full facts of that case. Got to say though I do share Lethals thoughts. |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 9:37pm
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KILL THEM ALL ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: C A
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 9:38pm
also save oxygen=win win situation ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 9:50pm
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Yeah, because we all want to end up like these countries; Bahrain, Bangladesh, North Korea, Sudan Equatorial, Guinea, Iran, Libya, Syria and the good old USA that kill their citizens? Because not one of those countries ever got it wrong either and killed an innocent farther or friend? Lock them up for life but the death sentence is brutal, archaic and has no place in a country like in NZ. |
Posted By: Blue Legend
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 10:03pm
| i think if its a clear cut case, the person was caught in the act, the death penalty certainly has it's place, bullets cost money, yet a piece of rope can be used time and time again. |
Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2012 at 10:16pm
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Watch Michael Portillo ex-mp from UK, examines very carefully the options for the death penalty. You'll have to forgive the spelling. But think it's Hypobaric { you get air but gradually no oxygen.} death is gentle, no panic/fear or blood. More humane than some would deserve. But it's about ridding society of those that cannot and will not abide by the rules. So if you want to keep spending 200,000 dollars a year on these creatures, more fool you. And that creature I mentioned earlier. Will never reform. Never be cured and never not be a threat to others ------------- Si ego cado is est non terminus |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 6:24am
somebody that thinks this through good on ya I suppose we could cut of a hand for theft.... then support them on welfare take a persons life and support their families (Arthur Allen Thomas)(I forget his name but the guy that was jailed for killing his family in Dunedin) stone a women to death for being raped Im please we live in NZ and not some of the other countries that have "strict" legal system Not perfect but in general not evil either. Personally, I belive that any theft should be paid back in work for the victum and that a lot of our roads should be built by hand. |
Posted By: carl hurley
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 8:48am
| barrie go to singapore they have a strict legal system and it works great have walked up the main street with cars mercs porshes etc parked with keys still in the ignition it comes back to people having respect for others or being too scared to commit crime they need to be taught as kids corpral punishment it works did on me and the government not being afraid to use the big stick the advantage of the death penalty is that it is brutal fear factor and what about all the poor fish you catch . trying to get some one to work for you without some threat is ny on inpossible . i think that people need to stand up to more of the **** that happens these bussiness crimes need harsher sentances as well thats me for the morning |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 10:14am
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In no way am I suggesting lighter penalties at all. In fact I would suggest harder which is why I mentioned our roads being built by hand ie; hard labour. Im just not in favour of the death penalty as there have been too many "mistakes" in the past. To me the death penalty is similar to stoning a person to death or cutting off their hand. Hard labour for 6 days a week is somthing that would make me pay a traffic fine or burglary. Being against the death penalty should not be confused with being "light" on crime You are correct mind you that the tought of the death penalty and crooked justice system would stop me ever visiting a country like Barli or Thailand |
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 10:28am
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That 16yr old ******* wont serve ten, but then what the other inmates will do to him (and hopefully the screws allow it) within the first year will be well worth it. |
Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:09am
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You also need to think about what would constitute the death sentence? Murder? sure. Rape? maybe? Manslaughter? why not. People often talk about the death sentence being a deterrent to crime - then how come the USA is rife with crime even with their three strikes policy and death sentence in some states? |
Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:27am
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I don't consider the death penalty to be a deterrent. It is a means the ridding society that have refused to conform to the laws. The worst thing to do to some body is to take away everything they have, to kill someone is to take the future, past, dreams and hopes. The victim was somebodies child, they hurt that echoes out from such a terrible crime can never be reconciled. There have been mistakes in the past, hopefully they are few and far between now. Look back over recent cases, the brutal slaying of a university student? The gunning down of three police officers in one go? {at least he did himself.} the slaying of a farmer? Need I go on? These creatures have foregone the right to be considered human. They are maggots that will continue to feed off society for as long as they are alive. ------------- Si ego cado is est non terminus |
Posted By: Dagwood
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:28am
You're probably quite right but whenever he gets out, he'll be less screwed up than he is now and no longer a risk to the rest of us... I very much doubt it. Dunno what the answer is but the current system seems pretty well stuffed. |
Posted By: carl hurley
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:36am
| havok the crime rate in america used to be high and is decreasing quite quickly every year because of broken windows and three strikes as far as mistakes go with the death penalty try going to your local hospital for a operation wrong leg wrong patient etc and how many die most people do things because they think that they can get away with it if you dont think that you will get away with it you wont do it. there is a town in america cant remember the name were it is ilegal not to carry a firearm at all times there crime is a 1/4 of surounding towns and they havent had a murder for ages |
Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:36am
If you don't consider capital punishment as a deterrent then you aren't looking at the entire situation. Locking up someone for life also achieves the same outcome. If you think it is so great go live in China, Sudan or North Korea etc because they are all great examples of societies doing so well, right? 
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Posted By: carl hurley
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:44am
| maybe locking them up for life might but its the same as the spca trying to save all these animals easier just to knock them all on the head cheaper ! |
Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:46am
Sounds great, we can all walk around carrying Glocks and Berettas, sounds like an amazing place to raise a family. The USA has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population. I think China ranks second. Not really something to be proud off. |
Posted By: carl hurley
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 11:54am
| nothing wrong with raising a family around guns they are less dangerous than cars as for locking people up whats wrong with that do the crime do the time |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 12:04pm
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What people fail to get is that kid pluckers get seg's, and get watched by the guards.They do there time without any one doing any harm to them. so they live the good life the gym twice a week P119's every week some dope when it can be smuggled in.they get to watch tv every day they get to go outside on the grass and laze around till they go back in...ask steve he knows the routine :) unless the judge set a min non parole time he will do the full 10 years in safety unless he gets wasted in the other cells waiting to be put in the segs unit..that and only that is the way to get done in there....death to the a hole ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 1:20pm
Probably because the crims know it will take more than twenty years for the event to happen. If at all. If there is absolutley no doubt, then "off with his head". Classic example. Graeme Burton. The guy killed a father on his quad bike while either on parole or escaped. Can not remember. Police wounded him in the shootout. Frankly he should have been left to bleed out and die on site. Not be treated and have a flash new artificial leg paid for by you and me. We now have a convicted rapist using our money to sue corrections because he has to sleep on a slim mattress and the guards had a fry up while they only had sandwiches. Do not forget the last time corrections was sued was because a prisoner, Murderer I think, had his feelings hurt when his letters were read. We have the mongrel that beat his wife and kids to death with a baseball bat in the Wairarapa. Absolutley no doubt. There are no mitigating reasons for such behaviour. Chop yourself and leave the innocent alone. To help make the death penalty more politically acceptable the Police should be held accountable. Get the evidence right or suffer the same fate. If the Police can not guarantee the evidence then do not ask for the death penalty, but if there is 98 -100% no doubt that the evidence is solid then the death penalty should be on the table and a succesful sentence should be carried out within two years. One last case for the death sentence. William Bell. Absolute mongrel and no hoper. I am still astounded at the way the sole surviving victim has been treated by our Governmental/legal system and social/health systems. Greame Burton got a shiny new leg as of right. She has had to fight every step of the way to get what I would think she should be entitled to. These are my opinions/thoughts only and do not constitute the thoughts or beliefs of Fishing.net.nz or any of its associated members/advertisers
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 1:41pm
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Some crimes, murder are totally out of character. Passion crimes or desperate crimes I don't know if these are worthy of giving the criminal a chance of reform albeit a long time in prison. Some guys are just pure evil though like Bell should get death.
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Posted By: Skoti
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 1:56pm
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Free Scott Watson ! !
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