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    Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 2:48pm
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Hey Guys
 
A 'friend' of mine is looking at purchasing a new boat as i he wants to get back out fishing.
 
Im He's looking towards a Bayliner Trophy and was wondering what peoples thoughts were?
 
Anyone owned one?
Anything you hated? / Would Change?
 
Anything i he should know about?
 
For the same coin is there something else you would get? Why?
 
Im Hes predominatly wanting something can still handle myself himself but open to thoughts, mainly want to keep warm when winter fishing and like the idea of going wide without too many worries (took the SeaNymph out wide without much worry so would happily take something like this further)
 
Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
 
Just getting an idea of whats out there at this stage really and wanting some experianced thoughts..
 
Looking at these at the moment:

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Hi,

I've got a 1998 trophy 2002wa with 2007 verado on it and regularly log on to the bayliner owners club and talk to other trophy owners. If you have any specific questions about these models then sing out. I would point out I'm not an expert about engines so might let others comment specifically about motors.
For your interest the trophys changed over to a new shape in around late 1999 or 2000. The newer ones have slightly higher back end which differentates the shape difference, the price is slightly higher on these ones and I think build quality from what I hear is slightly better as well.

Overall a good around boats but a couple of things to check on them (like most boats). Older versons can have water get into the transom area in the ply in the transom core. They can be check to see if it has happened and can be fixed if needed. Just one of those things you need to check.

The models ending in 50 or 52 (e.g 2052 or 2051) are the inboard models, whilst the models ending in 02 (e.g.1902, 2002 etc) are the outboard ones. Generally a heavier boat and need a bit more to tow than any ali boat (but most 6m+ glass ones are anyway).

They can handle to see well but the ones 2002/2052 and longer need tabs in my opinon. For me the inboard on the smaller ones can take up a lot of fishing space but not so bad as you get bigger. For me due to the weight factor they need a slightly more hp so i'd be looking at the higher end of the recommended hp range.

In our one we can comfortably overnight in it (its actually bigger in the cabin than looking from the outside), plus we have a hard targa top with clears which makes the boat feel alot bigger if overnighting.

Overall a good boat and good sea keeping ability.
Fire way with any specific questions on each model. The thing to remember the trophies and sea rays etc are high production boats so although relatively good they are not the higher class spec finish as say a rayglass, but this means they are however more affordable.
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I had a mate buy a brand new one with the inboard and I went on many fishing trips with him, a heavy to tow boat, VERY heavy on petrol, needed trim tabs as mentioned above. Soft riding and my Marine surveyor mate says they can have osmosis issues and the transom rot also mentioned.
I think enough said.
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Agree the inboard might be very heavy on gas but my outboard verado is relatively normal on its fuel burn for size etc. I haven't heard of osmosis in them and the transom thing can be checked out in older models. The thing you need to look at apart from the age of the boat is the age of the motor - i'd be asking specific questions in the outboard clinic about each models motor, this is likely going to be the most expensive thing to fix if it breaks (for example if you need to get the transom done its only about $3K max, not the real money like a stuffed motor)

On the heavy to tow, yes but isn't most 6m+ glass boats??
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Hi JB
 
Interesting reading, is the model coding for outboard vs inboard only for the newer models or does this extend back in the years as well, just ask as have seen alot of 2052 models sporting outboards and from first look dont appear to be conversions.. (first trademe link is one of them)
 
Wouldnt want to go inboard as fishing room is paramount so will try sticking to an outboard.
 
Hadent heard about the transoms going soft so will have to remember to keep an eye on that front, have heard about some people having water creep in to the cabin however and causing issues with rot but cant really see how myself, any ideas on this?
 
Also curious how much she weighs, will be getting a suitable towwagon so not really much of an issue but abit of a consideration if im looking to haul her North every summer.

Re finish im not too fussy, just wanting something to go fishing on again, errr i mean, my mate..

Cheers for the info!
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CEEBEE - Cheers, i would imagine the inboard was the heaviest bit and wanting to steer away from that end hopefully will go some way to reducing that issue, at the end of the day im not too worried about towing, more so about gas and would look to retrofit a 4 stroke to the back end one day to compensate with this / going wide trolling etc.
 
Interesing regarding the osmosis, hadent heard this before but will keep my ears out and make sure take adequate inspections.
 
Best mates are all boatbuilders so hopefully as you say JB the most expensive things i will need to do will be around the motor side of things, would want as new as possible and if can Yamaha (brand junkie - i know, i know) but will come down to the boat in question come buy time i guess..
 
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I had the larger 2352 which was the 5.0l inboard option . did over 500hrs in her and never had an issue. Great sea keeing abilities. As economic as my old 200hp 2 stroke Merc ,  towed real well with the Patrol and caught a heap of fish out of her.  In my mind great boats and never had issues with the engine or leg. All about regular maintenance at the end of the day.
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Hi Alex
 
I have had a 2002 Trophy for several years now so a bit biassed - my understanding is that the 2002 is outboard & 2052 is inboard so interesting to see the 52 with outboard on tm.
When we bought the Trophy the brief was fibreglass (cos it looks nicer for the boss) , 6m+ , capstan to save the bosses arms , some weather protection as we fish all year , ability to overnight if need be.
I also wanted reasonably new trailer as these are pricey on a big boat  and decent size outboard on the back (not too old). Budget was <$40k.
In terms of meeting the brief and budget  - we are more than happy with what we got 200HP Yammie 2000 , 2003 Tandem Trailer & 1993 Boat.
It came with trimtabs which are definitely needed as it is quite high.
A few things to note with Trophys - many of them came out with small outboards which is not a great idea for a boat approaching 2ton when laden, also standard US trailers were 'skid' type and not braked. The fish bins fill with rainwater when the boat is standing - I fitted bungs in these that drain into the bilge which works great.
I added a Navman Fuel flow meter (they have 300litre underfloor tank so have a good range).I typically cruise at 29l/hr which I think is not too bad for a decent size boat and motor.
Haven't heard the transom issues as mentioned above.
Tow it with a Hyundai Terracan wagon.
I brought it back to Auckland last week as am considering selling it to fund a new venture - will PM you my details if you want to have a look ...haven't listed it yet on TM
 
 
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Lance - Was that the Alpha or Bravo leg on yours?  Father had the Bravo leg on an American Formula and had no issues with it but when he got a Sea Ray with an Alpha leg the boat spent more time in the garage than the water, seem to remember Ray Bryant talking about the issues with the older legs but was a kid at the time so the memory is a little fuzzy.. They definatly look the fish catching biz!

Paul - Cheers for the info, gold mine!  Your brief is basically the same as mine, perhaps with a slightly smaller budget.  Interesting to note that virtually all the Trophys around that size i have seen appear to have been repowered, what size donk did they come with factory do you know?

Im wondering what other differences between 2052 and 2002 were or if it were just a outboard/inboard thing and they are mis-labled on TradeMe?  But then here is another.. 
From what ive been seeing the only inboard 2052's i can find are newer (2000 onwards) but you or someone else might be able to shed some light on that..

Just curious at 29lph what speed are you cruising at?  And how stable are they at rest?  

To be honest im doing abit of info mining here with a vision of my future so am not ready to buy just yet, would love to take a good nosey around one at some stage though.

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Most seemed to come out with Force outboards ~ 120Hp.
Not sure what cruising speed is - will check next time I'm out.
Stability at rest is excellent
 
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I had the 2352, had a 120hp inboard petrol motor raised a lot of fish, nice boat until I pulled the carpets up, never again I don't think will I own another.
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Paul - Cheers for the info, much appreciated!
 
BA - Rot, build quality or...?
 
What would your suggestion be for simular sort of dollahs and desires?

Cheers again
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Dunno what I would buy Alex. it was general build, the biggest problem as I see it is they are not what one would call designed for our water conditions.
The floor was sat into the hull and then glassed over with chop strand, no strength as the hull twists etc, we took all the front bunks out and lifted the floor and set it down on a bad of glass, we then used double bias and glassed the top down onto the hull. there was no anchor well which became a pain so we fitted one.
As i say mate thats just my experience, my brother brought the 2852 and added 2m to it and fitted a diesel and completely refit the the interior and again reinforced the floors etc
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Only thing that I can add is with all walk arounds, if you are out in rough conditions, any wave that comes over the bow ends up in the cockpit as the walkaround funnels the water in there as opposed to a conventional boat were the water is deflected off to the side.
 
Apart from that walkarounds are great.
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Bayliners are built to a price - don't think there is anything really wrong with them - but they don't seem to age well, compared to a well made US boat like say a Bertram.
Only other comment is that on regular outings together a 30 year old 5.7m  Seanymph Hustler outperformed a BL Trophy hardtop in every regard - apart from sex appeal up the driveway.
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Originally posted by riga riga wrote:

Only thing that I can add is with all walk arounds, if you are out in rough conditions, any wave that comes over the bow ends up in the cockpit as the walkaround funnels the water in there as opposed to a conventional boat were the water is deflected off to the side.
 

Apart from that walkarounds are great.

The scuppers on them normally fix most of the normal flow. Only problem with the trophys prior to 2000 where they needed the perko scuppers replaced with radub ones (about $250 total) to stop backwash up scuppers and into the fish bins. Most of the small issues with these boats have a fix.

MM is correct, they are build to a budget but get a well looked after one and its not bad for the budget. Personally from whta I hear if one has a force outboard on, plan on replacing the outboard before going offshore.
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There was a mislabled 2052 on TM it was actually a 2002 with a 200efi merc on it, wasnt a bad boat, but hadnt been maitaned to the standard I like to see, also had a bunked trailer, which is useless in NZ conditions unless you are launching off mint ramps all the time.
Bayliners are built to a price, but are quite good boats.
I find the sides are too low on the 2002 and 2052, being as this was designed as an inshore fisher and not a blue water boat. the cockpit sides hit me on the knee, also these smaller trophys have a moderate hull V, all of these issues are rectified if you look at their larger siblings.
The alpha leg is OK as long as you dont try to over power it and you are a demon on servicing, these hulls work well with a 150hp outboard.
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Some awesome info coming out here, about to leave for work but will address some of the comments raised more specificaly later on.

Cheers heaps!
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Get a Centre console auw or get andys v198 that boat is sick running 200hp merc same as ball bags motor
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Mitch - Ballallals keeps pointing me towards that V198 but IMO its overpriced.. If they knocked 6k off it i would go get it tomorrow. Wink
 
Would love a CC for softbait fishing but want to stay dry and warm in ****ty weather, love fishing in the rain and Winter and will take days off work to do so (seriously miss mid week fishing, best times of my life i had with my little Gullwing and no job). 
 
Plus want something with a cabin to throw the missus into when she starts complaining about the sun, or the rain, or the wind, or the.... (not that i imagine she will come out too often)
 
The Trophy seems to tick those boxes for me.  And if i had the pingers i would buy myself a Tournament in a heartbeat.
 
It comes down to compromise in the end though and staying dry and warm is more important than walkaround ability, im still young and can clamber over things if need be.  BF hardtop might be a go.. really still assessing options but at this point in time the Trophy is winning the race.
 
Again, if anyone has any other suggestions i would greatly appreciate all thoughts!
 
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