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    Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 3:39pm
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I've been there and scoffed at the price of some stickbaits on offer overseas and often thought "how could some of these guys justify these prices"?
Then I watched this guy craft a lure. 
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Yup it takes a very long time to make lures especially stickbaits.

Just saw this vid the other day, not sure of the price this guy charges but it would have to be more than Carpenter lures, close at the very least.
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These guys have got a good idea for replicating the base stickbait blank


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Originally posted by Badfish Badfish wrote:

I've been there and scoffed at the price of some stickbaits on offer overseas and often thought "how could some of these guys justify these prices"?
Then I watched this guy craft a lure. 

Have you checked his Blog?

I have followed his blog for quite some time, He is very skilled at "leafing" and working with shell laminates also. The detail and talent involved is really an art. 

Some thing for myself to aspire too Star
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Originally posted by EditB EditB wrote:

These guys have got a good idea for replicating the base stickbait blank



I have seen images of back knife hopper feed CNC lathes churning out poppers every 30-60 seconds or so...They use a forklift to tip the square blanks into the hopper and away she goes...
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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

[QUOTE=EditB]These guys have got a good idea for replicating the base stickbait blank




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Way back in 2005, I visited Konishi San of Carpenter at his factories and saw all the lure making and rod making facilities.  This is one of the many portacom units that Konishi San set up his lure factory.
Konishi San
 
 
 
 
Konishi San had similar cloning lathes in his workshop.  Everything else was handmade and the albalone lures were a piece of art.   All these workshop units were stacked around his mother's house like lego blocks back in 2005.  He has since moved to another location where Ginga had visited him.
 
drying room for Carpenter Studio or Custom rods.
 
 
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Nice. He could put hand crafted on those and actually mean it. True craftsmanship.

Is that balsa he is using?

Just a little suss on the through wire thou?

I thought Konishi used a computer programmed laser cutters to clone/ replicate his shapes. Salesmen can be awesome story tellers at times I guess.

They need one of these. Welcome to the future. It won't be about paying for the craftsman, it will be about paying off their machines.

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Using duplicators and CNCs is certainly good for mass production, I must just be stuck in the stone age a bit cause I really like the hand crafted aspect. Got to admire the skill and presumably the many hours spent perfecting such a skill, seems almost criminal that such time/effort/skill could be made redundant by sequence of numbers and parameters punched into a machine.

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Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Is that balsa he is using?

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If not what do you think it is most likely?
 
 
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I can't find the post but there was a thread on another forum I read yesterday that said what the wood is. I can't think off the top of my head but it's not balsa on these particular lures, some good lures are made of balsa though supposedly. But again, that was just info from another post so wouldn't trust it %100
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I think you'll find its paulownia, little bit heavier than balsa and more strength. You can get it in NZ.

Think that was me that told you about the uber expensive CNC machine bro....... but yeh that did come from a salesman, I should really verify my sources Tongue


Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Nice. He could put hand crafted on those and actually mean it. True craftsmanship.

Is that balsa he is using?

Just a little suss on the through wire thou?

I thought Konishi used a computer programmed laser cutters to clone/ replicate his shapes. Salesmen can be awesome story tellers at times I guess.

They need one of these. Welcome to the future. It won't be about paying for the craftsman, it will be about paying off their machines.

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Okay through quick search Balsa about 170kg/m³ and Paulownia around 270kg/m³

and according to this stronger than ceder!

Tests by the University of Southern Queensland of Western Red Cedar and Paulownia showed that Paulownia had better compression and shear qualities.  When this is coupled with the comparative density at 11% moisture of 275Kg/m3 for Paulownia and 450Kg/m3 for Western Red Cedar it makes Paulownia lighter but stronger. 




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Alot use cypress aswell.
 
One thing is for sure People like Carpenter continually up their game,for fear of ninjas flying through my window I shall say no more.
 
I guess in short you are paying for the name-which equals  a sucessful recipie,all the R&D,and when it is produced in batches that everyone wants a piece of you can ask what you want - to a point.
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For Carpenter and the like, duplicating machines are they only way to guarantee identical dimensions of lures...However when using wood each is different, and wooden lures have "life" they originated  from living objects (trees) and wood have many variables...Plastic is dead.

Supply and demand, Kenji has the balance just right. 

I would like to think that my own lures and vision is in the bracket of supplying the 10% of fisherman catching 90% of the fish with some quality lures...I would make plastic lures if wanting to supply the world. 

Don't look to far into how something is made, just enjoy it and keep on casting.


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Don't write off lures made with synthetic products.......IMO they will be the future.
That doesn't mean of course that they wont still be hand shaped/made :-)

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Originally posted by jaypeegee jaypeegee wrote:

Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Is that balsa he is using?

Question seconded
If not what do you think it is most likely?
 
 

 Pretty sure it says USA Hiba at the start of the vid 
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Well there ya go, just did a search on "american Hiba" instead of "U.S.A Hiba" adjusting for the translation and turns out American Hiba is a conifer in the Cypress family...

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Ah true thought the question was about Carpenter lures.

Originally posted by hookerpuka hookerpuka wrote:

Originally posted by jaypeegee jaypeegee wrote:

Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Is that balsa he is using?

Question seconded
If not what do you think it is most likely?
 
 

 Pretty sure it says USA Hiba at the start of the vid 
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were do you get the cypress from
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