Handmade Lures
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Printed Date: 06 Jun 2026 at 3:53pm
Topic: Handmade Lures
Posted By: Badfish
Subject: Handmade Lures
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 3:39pm
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I've been there and scoffed at the price of some stickbaits on offer overseas and often thought "how could some of these guys justify these prices"?
Then I watched this guy craft a lure.
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 4:39pm
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Yup it takes a very long time to make lures especially stickbaits. Just saw this vid the other day, not sure of the price this guy charges but it would have to be more than Carpenter lures, close at the very least. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: EditB
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 5:17pm
These guys have got a good idea for replicating the base stickbait blank  ------------- I do not lie about fishing, I willingly participate in a campaign of misinformation. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 11:35pm
Have you checked his Blog? I have followed his blog for quite some time, He is very skilled at "leafing" and working with shell laminates also. The detail and talent involved is really an art. Some thing for myself to aspire too  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Badfish wrote:Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 11:44pm
I have seen images of back knife hopper feed CNC lathes churning out poppers every 30-60 seconds or so...They use a forklift to tip the square blanks into the hopper and away she goes...
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 11:48pm
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 12:31pm
Way back in 2005, I visited Konishi San of Carpenter at his factories and saw all the lure making and rod making facilities. This is one of the many portacom units that Konishi San set up his lure factory.
 Konishi San
   Konishi San had similar cloning lathes in his workshop. Everything else was handmade and the albalone lures were a piece of art. All these workshop units were stacked around his mother's house like lego blocks back in 2005. He has since moved to another location where Ginga had visited him.
 drying room for Carpenter Studio or Custom rods.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 12:57pm
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Nice. He could put hand crafted on those and actually mean it. True craftsmanship. Is that balsa he is using? Just a little suss on the through wire thou? I thought Konishi used a computer programmed laser cutters to clone/ replicate his shapes. Salesmen can be awesome story tellers at times I guess. They need one of these. Welcome to the future. It won't be about paying for the craftsman, it will be about paying off their machines. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 1:35pm
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Using duplicators and CNCs is certainly good for mass production, I must just be stuck in the stone age a bit cause I really like the hand crafted aspect. Got to admire the skill and presumably the many hours spent perfecting such a skill, seems almost criminal that such time/effort/skill could be made redundant by sequence of numbers and parameters punched into a machine. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jaypeegee
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 2:50pm
If not what do you think it is most likely?
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 3:23pm
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I can't find the post but there was a thread on another forum I read yesterday that said what the wood is. I can't think off the top of my head but it's not balsa on these particular lures, some good lures are made of balsa though supposedly. But again, that was just info from another post so wouldn't trust it %100 ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 5:00pm
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I think you'll find its paulownia, little bit heavier than balsa and more strength. You can get it in NZ. Think that was me that told you about the uber expensive CNC machine bro....... but yeh that did come from a salesman, I should really verify my sources 
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 5:05pm
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Okay through quick search Balsa about 170kg/m³ and Paulownia around 270kg/m³ and according to this stronger than ceder! Tests by the University of Southern Queensland of Western Red Cedar and Paulownia showed that Paulownia had better compression and shear qualities. When this is coupled with the comparative density at 11% moisture of 275Kg/m3 for Paulownia and 450Kg/m3 for Western Red Cedar it makes Paulownia lighter but stronger. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 5:20pm
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Alot use cypress aswell.
One thing is for sure People like Carpenter continually up their game,for fear of ninjas flying through my window I shall say no more.
I guess in short you are paying for the name-which equals a sucessful recipie,all the R&D,and when it is produced in batches that everyone wants a piece of you can ask what you want - to a point. ------------- as dead as dead is |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 10:45pm
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For Carpenter and the like, duplicating machines are they only way to guarantee identical dimensions of lures...However when using wood each is different, and wooden lures have "life" they originated from living objects (trees) and wood have many variables...Plastic is dead. Supply and demand, Kenji has the balance just right. I would like to think that my own lures and vision is in the bracket of supplying the 10% of fisherman catching 90% of the fish with some quality lures...I would make plastic lures if wanting to supply the world. Don't look to far into how something is made, just enjoy it and keep on casting. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: andrem
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 8:46am
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Don't write off lures made with synthetic products.......IMO they will be the future. That doesn't mean of course that they wont still be hand shaped/made :-) ------------- Rehab |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 9:57am
Pretty sure it says USA Hiba at the start of the vid
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 11:12am
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Well there ya go, just did a search on "american Hiba" instead of "U.S.A Hiba" adjusting for the translation and turns out American Hiba is a conifer in the Cypress family... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 12:42pm
Ah true thought the question was about Carpenter lures.
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Posted By: SALTIST 30HA
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 8:45pm
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were do you get the cypress from ------------- sweating like a lesbian in a fish shop. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 1:07pm
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There is this crazy feral hippy cat who lives down Putaruru and shapes surfboards out of Paulowina. He imports it. Cedar is pretty easily obtained from your local exotic timbre merchant.
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 2:05pm
| Crazy sum's him up pretty good. charging 20k for a board is about as crazy as you can get. |
Posted By: Big H
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 3:05pm
| Catalpa would be a good bet if you can lay your hands on it. It's an exceptionally light hardwood that is very easy to shape. Doubt you could buy it per se but arborists may come across it from time to time |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 6:03pm
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Oh, I dunno about that Mozz.... he knows where his market is, he hand makes his product from the best wood, and if a stickbait is a fair and reasonable price at $200 (at least), then a surfboard which has probably about 100 stickbait size bits in it priced at around $20g would be pretty much bang on the money, wouldn't it? Oh, and there is a lot of paulownia being grown here these days, 10-15yrs back there was a lot of interest in growing it, as it has a lot of very interesting uses etc. It is (apparently) the lightest hardwood, doesn't warp etc, and is used in the top-end cabinetry in asia. I bet you can buy it here. |
Posted By: jaypeegee
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 7:52pm
I have been googlefailing on finding some
be well interested in having a crack with that
How poorly would epoxied balsa live up to this
I imagine that it would disintegrate quickly esp with toothys biting it
I know so so little
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 9:36am
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Sorry got it wrong by about 500k Capt A http://www.olosurfer.com/ghost.html Try Roger Hall at Surfline he may be able to point you in the right direction
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 11:05am
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Whau is a good native alternative.
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Posted By: Roy Stewart
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 1:50pm
I'm of sound mind and am not a hippy, nor do I import paulownia. I do however make surfboards and I have paulownia offcuts available for fishing lures. Regards Roy Stewart [email protected] |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 2:16pm
| My god, the price really is over half a mill USD!!!! Bloody hell, he must make a LOT of money, I wonder how many sell a year? 20? 30? more? Roy, that is some serious income you have there man. Cudos.... |
Posted By: jaypeegee
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 3:54pm
I gotta say I had a look at Roys website
There is some seriously sexy looking boards there
And Roy, Your approach as inferred by me (from the writings on there and the blog) sounds pretty full on.
The FIN configurations are pretty mindblowing.... Brings back memories of the work that was done on Cheyne Horans boards The wingtip and Keel designs
That dude was like 20 yrs ahead of his time too..
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Posted By: JOLLY
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 12:53am
Welcome to the forum Roy, that's some pretty serious talent you have there, inspiring stuff. Regarding timber, light and strong's the name of the game I guess, what do you play with and where do you get it?
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