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I'm off to Norfolk Island for Xmas and am keen to try stickbaiting for Kingies while there. I have used the cheap river-to-sea rover230 stickbaits for GT's in Aitutaki and they seemed to work well. From reading over at GTpopping.com my understanding is that Kingies prefer lifelike stickbaits in fish colours (as opposed to flashy tropical colours). The rover 230's are not particularly fishy looking. Can anyone direct me to a site where there are a wide range of stickbaits for sale (preferably at reasonable prices Confused). Has anyone tried the stickbaits that these guys www.canniballures.co.nz/sell on Kingies? Can any one suggest some good stickbaits to try that have worked for them on kingies?
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Try Yeehaa Fishing , they sell Carpenters and Hammer- head  and a few other types .
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$218 for a lure! that's a bit serious
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yeah good luck to them, this outfit www.saltywatertackle.com has a heap, some at reasonable prices

Another question, When fishing poppers I have always  used twisty leaders. I have read some reports that it is better to use a straight mono leader joined by a PR knot or similar or lightish windon cat's pawed to a bimini in the braid. Can anyone advise?


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I think it really depends on how the kingies want it some days. Some lures fish quite differently to others and even by vary the retrieve and rod angle can alter how the lure behaves. I think it pays to have a variety of lures of varying action, but don't be fooled into the concept the more expensive they are the more they will work. Hooks can always be changed for better grade hooks if they are a problem. Experimentation is the key and observe what the fish are doing. Sometimes they are hard out and it doesn't seem to matter other times they can want it in just a certain way, go figure.
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Nomad Lures work well especially the ulua  and dogtooth models in the blues and greens 100-125 g size. You can get the same lures just branded HERU rather than NOMAD( the dogtooth is called a Wahoo) from the States ( kilsong's jigging world  jignpop.com) for around $55 each( if you get 6-7) including postage just make sure the total cost is below $400 nz and you wont get charged GST at customs. At the moment around here the kingies are going mad at anything you throw at them just make sure you replace the hooks and split rings come with the cheaper river2sea lures as they are not up to the strain that a good kingie will put on them .Jobus 7\0 and 8\0 with at least 150 kg split rings are the best option if you want to release them easily with less risk to you and the fish! As far as knots go a shortish pr is good but still holds up in the cast a tad. Mid knot is what Ive been using lately cast well easy  to tie and yet to have one fail but only tested on up to 24kg fish so far.
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Originally posted by Lurcher Lurcher wrote:

yeah good luck to them, this outfit www.saltywatertackle.com has a heap, some at reasonable prices

Another question, When fishing poppers I have always  used twisty leaders. I have read some reports that it is better to use a straight mono leader joined by a PR knot or similar or lightish windon cat's pawed to a bimini in the braid. Can anyone advise?



please understand that in NZ when we import products we have to pay 15% of GST and 5% of tax plus shipping. If we match the Saltywater tackle prices, we lose money. At least we tried to let the locals have the chance to buy those Carpenter stickbaits.
PS the number of those lures are so limited usually only comes in 10 lures at a time. so even with saltywater tackle you have to be super quick, that is why they only have cheap prices on carpenter lures but no stocks for all the models.


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Saltytackle don't have any Carpenter gammas for sale at present , Yeehaa have Mangrove studios ,Saltigas , yo zuris which all seem to be in your price range. You'd asked which were catching fish and I'd found my Hammer- head and Carpenters had ( although the Mangrove studio did well last time out ) so I'd suggested them to you, sorry I didn't realise price was the priority, when the fish are biting hard out any thing will work as photog says but if you want to raise a fish when the going is hard a top quality lure will work better.
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Check out the range of Alive stickbaits that Gofish stock.They are well priced & work really well.They are available in a range of sizes ideal for kingfish.
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Some good debate here. I recently started "collecting" some topwater lures. From my experience (limited as it is) with the lures I have fished - the Carpenters, Kira MC Works Killer, Hammerheads, Orion's seem to raise and attract more strikes when the fishing is tough (perhaps that is why they are popular....and more expensive) - my other lures do catch fish, but seem to get more follows without hook-ups.
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YeeHaa have several options available and top notch advice... like any sport you get what you pay for and after spending 3k on a topwater setup I dont think you'd cut corners on lures.
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When you say the cheap river to sea rover 230....How much you pay for them please? I have seen them for sale at 45 dollars...hardly cheap....They have a great action and are used in the islands with a lot of success.
I have some poppers/stick baits on trade me at the moment which are very cheap and just as effective.....Sorry but i wouldnt pay over 50 bucks for a lure,when an evil kingi could reef you easily....200 dollar stick bait lost = Cry....Its ok if you have money...yes..If they are really hungry they would eat your socks! Would you spend 200 bucks on a jig? have a bit of everything..Those alive ones are good for 60 odd.

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seen pics of some decent kingies  taken on the river2sea DOGGIE WP 168sk  stickbait looks like it can handle .
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Seen some nice fish taken on the action imports stick baits as well...... And very well priced compared to other imported stickbaits
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Seen some nice fish taken on the action imports stick baits as well...... And very well priced compared to other imported stickbaits


how did you go at that ' wharf'  bro  on the poppers Wink
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action import stick baits are good and very well priced. we have specail for those. $40 each

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Originally posted by YeeHaa YeeHaa wrote:

Originally posted by Lurcher Lurcher wrote:

yeah good luck to them, this outfit www.saltywatertackle.com has a heap, some at reasonable prices

Another question, When fishing poppers I have always  used twisty leaders. I have read some reports that it is better to use a straight mono leader joined by a PR knot or similar or lightish windon cat's pawed to a bimini in the braid. Can anyone advise?



please understand that in NZ when we import products we have to pay 15% of GST and 5% of tax plus shipping. If we match the Saltywater tackle prices, we lose money. At least we tried to let the locals have the chance to buy those Carpenter stickbaits.
PS the number of those lures are so limited usually only comes in 10 lures at a time. so even with saltywater tackle you have to be super quick, that is why they only have cheap prices on carpenter lures but no stocks for all the models.



Unfortunately for all you New Zealand residents most things in the world cost more as the guys at YeeHaa are telling you, more import costs, more GST and you even pay more taxes. You are very lucky to have a store like YeeHaa importing such high quality gear for you to be able to pick and choose from. There is very limited stores in the world that have access let alone stock such a range of this gear so think yourself's lucky.
Carpenter stickbait's are very expensive, but just think how much you spend on all your other tackle and also the other costs like going to and from and the cost of running a boat makes a $150 stickbait not to bad really, unless you are s*#t at tieing knots, on the days when fishing can be tough is the days when these expensive lures can come into a league of there own, doesnt hurt to have one in the bag for those days.
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Game fishing lures can  run into the $200 bracket , Iv'e owned a few, but nobody complains too much about that , so I don't think $200 on a top stickbait is too out there. Managed to lose a gamma105 last time I was out but it didn't spoil a great day landing 30-40 kingfish. You have to accept your going to lose a few , I've manged to lose one a trip.
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Thanks for putting forward some options, you have to live within your means. I live in Dunedin so my options for popper fishing/jigging are limited to the odd holiday so I can't really justify flash gear as it sits in a dusty cubboard for most of the year.... My popping gear is budget (saragosa/monstermesh, back up is pimped spheros/old pioneer popper rod) a $200 stickbait is worth half as much as my rod!!

Would still like to hear what the preferred leader set up is. As I mentioned above I have used twisties on GT's (150lb 6-8 foot long with 8-10 inch doubled "bite leader" section at the popper end  but have read that that singles trand mono leaders are a better option with stick baits. Are people using the PR knot to attach leader? How heavy a leader are you using and how long?
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