stickbaits for kingies
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Topic: stickbaits for kingies
Posted By: Lurcher
Subject: stickbaits for kingies
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 8:52am
I'm off to Norfolk Island for Xmas and am keen to try stickbaiting for Kingies while there. I have used the cheap river-to-sea rover230 stickbaits for GT's in Aitutaki and they seemed to work well. From reading over at GTpopping.com my understanding is that Kingies prefer lifelike stickbaits in fish colours (as opposed to flashy tropical colours). The rover 230's are not particularly fishy looking. Can anyone direct me to a site where there are a wide range of stickbaits for sale (preferably at reasonable prices  ). Has anyone tried the stickbaits that these guys www.canniballures.co.nz/sell on Kingies? Can any one suggest some good stickbaits to try that have worked for them on kingies?
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 9:00am
| Try Yeehaa Fishing , they sell Carpenters and Hammer- head and a few other types . |
Posted By: Seadooer
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 9:34am
| $218 for a lure! that's a bit serious |
Posted By: Lurcher
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:03am
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yeah good luck to them, this outfit www.saltywatertackle.com has a heap, some at reasonable prices Another question, When fishing poppers I have always used twisty leaders. I have read some reports that it is better to use a straight mono leader joined by a PR knot or similar or lightish windon cat's pawed to a bimini in the braid. Can anyone advise? |
Posted By: photog
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:08am
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I think it really depends on how the kingies want it some days. Some lures fish quite differently to others and even by vary the retrieve and rod angle can alter how the lure behaves. I think it pays to have a variety of lures of varying action, but don't be fooled into the concept the more expensive they are the more they will work. Hooks can always be changed for better grade hooks if they are a problem. Experimentation is the key and observe what the fish are doing. Sometimes they are hard out and it doesn't seem to matter other times they can want it in just a certain way, go figure. ------------- If I'm not taking photos I'm fishing. If I'm not fishing I'm taking photos, either way I'm having fun. |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:29am
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-------------   WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: Raptor 650
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:29am
| Nomad Lures work well especially the ulua and dogtooth models in the blues and greens 100-125 g size. You can get the same lures just branded HERU rather than NOMAD( the dogtooth is called a Wahoo) from the States ( kilsong's jigging world http://www.jignpop.com - jignpop.com) for around $55 each( if you get 6-7) including postage just make sure the total cost is below $400 nz and you wont get charged GST at customs. At the moment around here the kingies are going mad at anything you throw at them just make sure you replace the hooks and split rings come with the cheaper river2sea lures as they are not up to the strain that a good kingie will put on them .Jobus 7\0 and 8\0 with at least 150 kg split rings are the best option if you want to release them easily with less risk to you and the fish! As far as knots go a shortish pr is good but still holds up in the cast a tad. Mid knot is what Ive been using lately cast well easy to tie and yet to have one fail but only tested on up to 24kg fish so far. |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:29am
please understand that in NZ when we import products we have to pay
15% of GST and 5% of tax plus shipping. If we match the Saltywater
tackle prices, we lose money. At least we tried to let the locals have
the chance to buy those Carpenter stickbaits. PS the number of those lures are so limited usually only comes in 10 lures at a time. so even with saltywater tackle you have to be super quick, that is why they only have cheap prices on carpenter lures but no stocks for all the models. ------------- WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Lurcher wrote:Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 1:43pm
| Saltytackle don't have any Carpenter gammas for sale at present , Yeehaa have Mangrove studios ,Saltigas , yo zuris which all seem to be in your price range. You'd asked which were catching fish and I'd found my Hammer- head and Carpenters had ( although the Mangrove studio did well last time out ) so I'd suggested them to you, sorry I didn't realise price was the priority, when the fish are biting hard out any thing will work as photog says but if you want to raise a fish when the going is hard a top quality lure will work better. |
Posted By: Fenien
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 3:48pm
| Check out the range of Alive stickbaits that Gofish stock.They are well priced & work really well.They are available in a range of sizes ideal for kingfish. |
Posted By: 621
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 6:03pm
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Some good debate here. I recently started "collecting" some topwater lures. From my experience (limited as it is) with the lures I have fished - the Carpenters, Kira MC Works Killer, Hammerheads, Orion's seem to raise and attract more strikes when the fishing is tough (perhaps that is why they are popular....and more expensive) - my other lures do catch fish, but seem to get more follows without hook-ups. ------------- "Luck is when opportunity and preparation coincide" |
Posted By: Blindspot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 6:44pm
| YeeHaa have several options available and top notch advice... like any sport you get what you pay for and after spending 3k on a topwater setup I dont think you'd cut corners on lures. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 7:32pm
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When you say the cheap river to sea rover 230....How much you pay for them please? I have seen them for sale at 45 dollars...hardly cheap....They have a great action and are used in the islands with a lot of success. I have some poppers/stick baits on trade me at the moment which are very cheap and just as effective.....Sorry but i wouldnt pay over 50 bucks for a lure,when an evil kingi could reef you easily....200 dollar stick bait lost =  ....Its ok if you have money...yes..If they are really hungry they would eat your socks! Would you spend 200 bucks on a jig? have a bit of everything..Those alive ones are good for 60 odd.Here are my links= http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333656747 - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333656747 http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333657497 - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333657497 http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333448092 - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=333448092
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: tackle whore
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 8:23pm
| seen pics of some decent kingies taken on the river2sea DOGGIE WP 168sk stickbait looks like it can handle . |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 9:11pm
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Seen some nice fish taken on the action imports stick baits as well...... And very well priced compared to other imported stickbaits ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 9:34pm
how did you go at that ' wharf' bro on the poppers  |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:46pm
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action import stick baits are good and very well priced. we have specail for those. $40 each
------------- WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: Coxy From Gold Coast
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 1:31am
Unfortunately for all you New Zealand residents most things in the world cost more as the guys at YeeHaa are telling you, more import costs, more GST and you even pay more taxes. You are very lucky to have a store like YeeHaa importing such high quality gear for you to be able to pick and choose from. There is very limited stores in the world that have access let alone stock such a range of this gear so think yourself's lucky. Carpenter stickbait's are very expensive, but just think how much you spend on all your other tackle and also the other costs like going to and from and the cost of running a boat makes a $150 stickbait not to bad really, unless you are s*#t at tieing knots, on the days when fishing can be tough is the days when these expensive lures can come into a league of there own, doesnt hurt to have one in the bag for those days. |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 7:45am
| Game fishing lures can run into the $200 bracket , Iv'e owned a few, but nobody complains too much about that , so I don't think $200 on a top stickbait is too out there. Managed to lose a gamma105 last time I was out but it didn't spoil a great day landing 30-40 kingfish. You have to accept your going to lose a few , I've manged to lose one a trip. |
Posted By: Lurcher
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 9:12am
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Thanks for putting forward some options, you have to live within your means. I live in Dunedin so my options for popper fishing/jigging are limited to the odd holiday so I can't really justify flash gear as it sits in a dusty cubboard for most of the year.... My popping gear is budget (saragosa/monstermesh, back up is pimped spheros/old pioneer popper rod) a $200 stickbait is worth half as much as my rod!! Would still like to hear what the preferred leader set up is. As I mentioned above I have used twisties on GT's (150lb 6-8 foot long with 8-10 inch doubled "bite leader" section at the popper end but have read that that singles trand mono leaders are a better option with stick baits. Are people using the PR knot to attach leader? How heavy a leader are you using and how long? |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 9:20am
| Got a good debate going here , price of lures etc. I'm using between 100 and 130lb mono on PE5 braid , and haven't had any leader issues. Have been using a short 30mm PR knot although would like to learn the FG knot, leader is approx 4.5-5m long . |
Posted By: Fish Pimp
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 10:33am
Yea guys some good stuff here regards baits etc . orions, Adhek gobys, Tailwalk gunz,Uluas, have all worked well lately for us.Leader I use 100lb berkley fluro with sebeile knot no issues with slippage i take a piece of sandpaper and just pull through a couple inches of leader once or twice to the area i tie the knot takes shine off but dosent hurt leader and gives better grip for knot. Have had more luck on sinking baits as opposed to floating dont know how others find them but would be keen to hear. Pe5 braid but am going to give the Jerry Brown Blue a go the Aussie boys we have just had out fishing really rate the stuff. KEEP A Lookout for Stick baits and poppers under the name ANGEL FREAK. one of the lads from Aussie makes them and we caught some nice fish on them should be available soon will try and find contact to post.
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Posted By: kingcrush
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:44pm
| Try fishingbuddy.co.sg they have a good selection of stick baits and there freight is well priced and very quick. |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 7:38am
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Yes i have to agree it can be hard to tie on a $200 lure and throw it at a fish that is potentially going to reef you. But if i have already invested in the fuel, boat costs, tackle costs and of course the most important investment my time into going out then i am going to do whatever it takes to give myself an edge. On some days you dont need to be have the most expensive lure out there but when things toughen up i can assure it is the quality lures which catch the most fish and this is a consistent pattern i have noticed over a while now. Back to the original post the Cannibal lures you are talking about are proven fish catchers, i have used them on the boat with success. I would like to see them a bit bigger but form what i understand they are working on this as we speak. Marcus may jump in and clarify that.
The discussion about cheap lures from overseas, well i guess the problem is always going to be getting access, if someone in any country has stock of cheap Gammas trust me they will not last long at all, there are people all over world trolling through sites chasing lures like these.
------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: edge01
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 10:38pm
| of course mark you could also say that when your gamma has caught you 30 fish that its paid for itself...............going to be a lot of work to get that many fish otherwise on other methods , and nowhere near as much fun as watching a king chase and smash a stick bait on the surface |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:42am
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Saw one site in the States that had carpenters for USD$179-95. Convert that to NZD!! And they were all sold out as well. |
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 10:01am
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Surly theres cheap ones made by Chinese children that will do the job??? Theres no way I'd spend that much on a single lure... rich mans game. |
Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 11:43am
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:20pm
| Caught plenty of fish on the R2S Doggie. $26 bucks doesnt break the bank. they swim well as well. think your buying confidence to a degree with some of these 2-300 dollar ones. |
Posted By: FarNorfOwnage
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2010 at 7:06pm
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Defenitely a "rich mans" game
Just catch a fresh piper off your local wharf its free eoh.dont be a sheep you fella's!
last piper i pitched OFF THE ROCKS scored me a 26.5kg king and not a stickbait in sight.
the BEST so called "top water" action ive seen (and that includes the years i worked on the longline boats at the three kings/king bank and beyond) was a 3kg FREE kahawai LIVEBAIT rag-dolled by a pack of 40kg+ kings at my feet at maria van diemen and eventualy swallowed sideways.
------------- out there doing it or STFU |
Posted By: hardstickbaiter
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 2:12pm
| if u want try out the gillies range,have used them heaps and have had grate results with them.ONLY $35 |