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Just going through and tidying up all my fishing gear, upgrading all my split rings and discarding old rusty stuff from the dark corners.  Amazing how much gear you can collect over time...  Actually thought for the first time the missus might have a point, a very brief thought I might add!

Anyway, I'm standing here looking at about 8 different poppers and bibbed diving lures.  I've never liked using trebles which puts be off using the lure types although when i have used them they have been great fun!  I was wondering if I should take off all the hooks and replace them with a similar set up to the jigs where the poppers just get snapped on and off.

Do the trebles (located mid and read of the popper) add to the action of it?

Looks like they would add to it hence this post.  Any comments?

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I would say go to a single hook as to a treble one.
Main reason damage to smaller fish caught with them and takes time to unhook a fish as Ihad this happen yesterday and will be switching all mine to single hook. Some have a 2 hook joined with a strong line about a inch abart which also seem to work fine and easier to unhook fish quickly
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Cheers bud, I'm looking at it for the same reason.  Just not sure if a single hook will change the action too much in the water?
Also is it then a single hook mid and rear of just in the mid section?

What I was considering was a solid ring on the end of the leader with the kevlar line and hook on it and split ring connection to the poppers.  That way the lures have no inherent hooks of their own and easy to store and maintain.  Just no idea if they will work rigged like that.  Guess there is only one way to really find out!
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Originally posted by Juicy Fruit Juicy Fruit wrote:

Cheers bud, I'm looking at it for the same reason.  Just not sure if a single hook will change the action too much in the water?
Also is it then a single hook mid and rear of just in the mid section?
What I was considering was a solid ring on the end of the leader with the kevlar line and hook on it and split ring connection to the poppers.  That way the lures have no inherent hooks of their own and easy to store and maintain.  Just no idea if they will work rigged like that.  Guess there is only one way to really find out!

If you do a search on here the subject has been up a few times for the same reason. A few have some pictures to show how they arrange the hooks. Carnt remember the topic name now as some time ago I was looking but trial and error seems the why to go. Its nice to have alittle knowledge on jigs, spinners ect but im like you on a learning curve.
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Nomad charters over in Australia have been rigging poppers like this for a while and all reports come back with rave reviews.
It is pretty much the leader to a solid ring with a assist hook free swinging off this ring. The lure is connected to a split ring from this solid ring. If they run another hook on this lure it seems to be a single on the tail of the lure.
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Baker rig in the middle with a single on the tail, is a good way to go. The claw doubles aren't bad either or just crush the barbs on the trebles for less fish damage.

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Awesome thanks guys, that was some reading on the threads Sid!  Seems I am way under gunning it with my trusty old Shimano Taipan and 6500 baitrunner haha.  Does the trick on the kings I have caught around the bouys in Auckland but I cant cast it for hours thats for sure.
Might be something else to start collecting the gear for - just when I thought I had everything haha!

Going to rig like Seabass said, that way I only have to connect to the split ring and add a hook in the guts, so no untangling trebles while kings smash piper at my feet.
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Use trebles! with crushed barbs or without what ever floats your boat
Pretty much every popper and stick bait made are designed to swim with trebles period.
Personally I do not like baker rig, what ever Nomad say. If you must use singles, look at the Decoy Sargent & or Owner ST-77 back eye hooks on the tail only & still run a treble on the belly.
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Two single jig hooks in the middle done up w a small cable tie and trimmed. Slightly longer live bait hook off the back. Pretty standard set up for serious tropo popper/stick bait/ rapala fishing. Like so;

A lot of charter operators  wont  let you use trebles.
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ive had soo many failures on sj41 hooks i wouldnt bother now. i like the decoys.

another thing is taking trebles off poppers and bibbed lures can affect the action, especially on bibbed lures as they can track and pop out of the water. Some poppers require heavier hooks to stay in the water when you are working them to stop them flipping out.

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I'll be putting trebles back on my mini- poppers and will crush one or two of the barbs.

Definitely stuffs up the action as the kevlar assists I've been using turn the poppers on there side.
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Mozz you spot on, some of the poppers and stick baits are desgined and balanced use treble hooks.
When I order my stick baits and poppers I always make sure what kind of hooks that they can use.
Eg: some carpenter poppers and stick baits are balanced for trebles, if you want to fish single hooks on them you have to get the ones that balanced for single. otherwise it will affect the lure swimming action.

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I ahte trebles and for a bloody good reason, many stitches to remove one form my hand. BUT!!! the problem is many of the best stick baits are designed to be run with 2 sets of trebles, i just had stick baiut legend Kenji Konishi out with me for 5 days and this topis was discussed(as much as possible with language barrier) in detail and he showed me some different actions of lures with or without trebles and his lures seemed to just roll around the place without them.
Once i relented and let him run trebles we got some good fish.
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My question is if you are using nomad stickbaits and poppers would they not be designed to run the hooks in the way they recommend on there website?
 
 
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Try old wooden bed legs, no issues there
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Originally posted by Kina Nabiru Kina Nabiru wrote:

Try old wooden bed legs, no issues there

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Originally posted by andrem andrem wrote:

My question is if you are using nomad stickbaits and poppers would they not be designed to run the hooks in the way they recommend on there website?
 
 

the nomad poppers are avaliable under so many different names around the world and have been around for quite a while now so I dont think its the case that they only be fished the way nomad charters fish them.
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Go Barbless, much better for the fish and ginga's hand Wink, Nomad practiced this before abolishing trebles completely with great success, even their singles and 'Baker' rigged doubles are barbles or have quashed barbs.
Some stickbaits need the belly treble to work effectively, the resistance on the hook works as a pivotal point to give the stickbaits their below surface action, a prime example is the Nomad [Heru] Ulua, although an assist hook on the nose helps it get get down and boogie Thumbs Up.
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Some people like trebles, some dont. How about a compromise, doubles. I liked these strong looking doubles, put them on some poppers I have made. With a relatively narrow front face, it's like a Popper-stick? Haven't tried them in action yet. One thing - they are certainly far cheaper than bought poppers, cost me about $7 each.

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