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    Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 6:52pm
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Hi All,
Am brand new to this new jigging craze, but am keen as to give it a wurl. Tongue
Plan to give it go on snaps to start with in Hauraki and Helena Bay areas, mainly in not too deep waters.
I have a near new Torium 20(used about 3 or 4 times) on a Backbone Elite 10-15 kg rod that i though might make an ok starter set.
Reel is spooled up with 30pd mono. From reading through this forum, obviously this mono needs to go?
Maybe top shot of braid? What sort/strength/qty?
Also, I know this is not an ideal rod to go with, as I bought this setup for snapper fishing at the barrier....
Maybe a not too expensive rod ($250-$300) would be a good investment???
Any help from you jigging people out there would be most appreciated, as I want to give to give this a go, but want to give myself best possible chances of catching fish this way.
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The setup you have got there will be quite good for snapper jigging, it will also do ok for a bit of kingy jigging but may be lacking a bit in the power stakes for the big yellow tailed fighting machines.

If you want to try something a little more specialized in the rod department look at matching up your Torium with one of the new Terminater rods from jigging master in the 200 size, just got one of these myself and they are great value.
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I'm new to this game myself, only starting this winter.
I've been using a TLD 15 with braid on an uglystik 10-15kg straylinging rod and a torium 16 with mono on an abu ultracast, neither really suited to the job but good enough to get me a few fish from.
I've just upgraded to the Terminator that ginga is talking about and can't wait to give it a thrash!
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Good one Badfish you are gonna love your new Terminater
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Cheers ginga,
Will check these rods out
So what about Braid vs Mono ?
From what I read I should be able to get about 25 odd pds of drag from the Torium, which I think is the same as the Torium 30, so what should I spool up with????

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Just checked the Jigs Direct website, and can only find pricing for a 250 size? Confused
Is this the Terminator range?
Any other websites I can check out pricing/availability for these?
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Hi, I have an (as new) kilwell fibremax speedjig 6-6 rod, high seat sics, palming reelseat, metal gimball etc, might be worth a look. Light as, suit the snapper plus plenty of grunt for the kingis, rated up to 80lbs. PM me if you are keen. Would look the part with the torium and may be more in the price range suggested. Terminators also a very nice option.
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Originally posted by Domdomingo Domdomingo wrote:

Just checked the Jigs Direct website, and can only find pricing for a 250 size? Confused
Is this the Terminator range?
Any other websites I can check out pricing/availability for these?
 
I know that slacker of a webmater who works for the Jigs Direct people.   The Terminator 200 sells for $415 off their site.  Drop them an email to [email protected].   You should also outline exactly what fish you target, water depth, location etc so that they can guide you with your rod choice.  Terminators are very good value for $'s and performance and only bettered by the Power Spell rods.
 
The Torium20 is a good size reel that should easily fit plenty of 50lb braid like the Jig Star or more of the YGK Ultra.  If you need more drag pressure then Jigs Direct can provide drag up grade kits that will give you more.  Chopsticks can also talk you through additional components to wring out a few lbs more drag pressure too! 
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Originally posted by Twin Power Twin Power wrote:

Hi, I have an (as new) kilwell fibremax speedjig 6-6 rod, high seat sics, palming reelseat, metal gimball etc, might be worth a look. Light as, suit the snapper plus plenty of grunt for the kingis, rated up to 80lbs. PM me if you are keen. Would look the part with the torium and may be more in the price range suggested. Terminators also a very nice option.
 
Hmmmm, Lance from Enchanter had one such rod which was busted, replaced, busted again then money refunded.  These rods are rated to 80lb (37kg) by virtue of it being capable of dead lifting 7kg?   I don't understand how Kilwell derive this figure but that is what they advertise.   The lightest Jigging Master rod capable of 80lb is the PS400 or TC400, these rods can dead lift 29kg and 28kg respectively - a far cry from 7kg I think you will agree.  I'll heard some mixed views on these rods so please ask around the experienced jiggers for opinions on rod choice before you commit.  Some of the shop professionals won't know what you are talking about so choose good people to speak to.
 
Sorry to diss your rod choice Twinpower, this is not a criticism of your good self.  Some jig rods on the market are simply not up to handling big Kingies or even jigging well.  There are some good brands on the NZ market like T-curves, Jigwrex and plenty others yet to make it down here. 
Remember, there are jig rods and then there is Jigging Master rods - a world of difference in performance. 
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Cant disagree with the likes of Jimi and Chris - I was not saying the livefibre was up to Terminator/Powerspell Stds - just if the budget was not up to 400+ then this may be better than the Backbone? Just reading the 80lb from the rod, and it seem to be fine for kings up to 20kg, beyond that who knows. Also taking into account torium 20 which is at the lower end of the jigging drag pressure scale I guess. 1 X Kilwell livefibre rated to a huge 7kg (may break under pressure) free to a good homeCry
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Yeah, those slack webmasters are a worry Chris Wink
By reading through this and many other of the Heavy Metal forums, I only read great things about the JM rods.
Guess i'll just have to save the extra $$$'s and get the best....
As I mentioned earlier in my post, plan to start with targeting Snapper, in around the Hauraki and Northland/Helena bay areas. Not too deep waters, but who knows?
Chris would you ditch all the mono currently on this reel, and change it over to Jig Star 50pd braid, or just top shot it? Reel only used 3-4 times. Mono is 30pd Maxima.
Should the std Torium 20 drag be up to slaying decent snaps, or would you slap a Carbontex drag kit in it from day one?
Thanks again for all your advise!!!
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Cheers Jimijig,
I appreciate any quality advise from guys who know there stuff, and by reading many of your previous posts, and ChrisW's, and Chopstix's, I can see i'm getting advise from the right people.
No need for nice, just good  f**kin' advise please Smile
Don't want to waste my hard earned money on 2nd rate gear, only to be dissappointed when finally that great fish comes along Cry
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My little torium 16 has landed some good stropy kingies to 17kg, unfortunately its not had the chance on any bigger ones, but should be good for a good while on big snaps.
Mines not got upgraded drag, but when it wears out it will, its obviously dependent on personal preference.
If you want the peace of mind go the upgrade, but if you find its doing the damage... "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
I actually really like mine the way it is, I only worry about it because other people say they're a bit dodgy, but find me one reel of its price that people find to be perfect.

After all that theres just wanting something awesome, and thats all good too. Thats why I'm going to the Saltiga. Extra peace of mind and a bitta bragging rights never killed anyone
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I spotted a couple of those jigwrex in a shop the other day.  Have you guys used these or the tcurves?  How do they rate against the jigging master terminator and powerspell?
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Originally posted by *stu* *stu* wrote:

I spotted a couple of those jigwrex in a shop the other day.  Have you guys used these or the tcurves?  How do they rate against the jigging master terminator and powerspell?
 
I haven't tried a Jigwrex fishing although I've flexed a couple in the shop (as we do) and they have the right action. They are not top end rods in the Carpenter, Smith, JM, Zenaq, etc league in as much as the quality of assembly on most of them is somewhat sloppy. The components are okay but when I see guide rings out of square to the blank, reel seats that don't line up with the first guide and so on you'll understand what I mean. Nevertheless if you find a good one then I'm sure it will do the job.
 
As for T Curves I've tried a few 400's and I'd have to say that they appear to be well assembled, although only the first ring is under bound apparently. However they don't have the nice parabolic curve under load which helps when jigging and playing a strong fish. They are good strong rods although have seen a couple of them break - then again all rods can break. They are not bad value for money, especially if bought in a combo deal, though now that the Terminator rods are available at the same price I would definitely recommend the latter. The Terminator rods were well tested on our recent Ranfurly trip and they are very, very good and represent superb value for money.
 
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Originally posted by jimijig jimijig wrote:

Once again the topic of rods is bounced around,newbys to jigging should spend time and read alot of the early threads on rods,do you see a pattern?
Take it from me and a couple of the other guys on this jigging site who spend alot of time on the water.......Spend the F###ing $ and buy the top shelf stuff,or go through life wondering why u spent so much on s##t that always didnt come up to the mark when it mattered.
Im not here to be nice,im here to give advice,and i didnt get to be at the top of the heap by kicking tires and listnening to advice from people who have no idea.
So when Chris ADVISES on a jm,take it,and its not because he sells the things,he uses them with some of the the best jiggers from asia and nz.

 
This would have to be the best piece of advice you'll ever receive from anyone, anywhere with regards to jigging for Kingfish. Clap
 
If you're serious about taking on decent size Kingies, your gear is going to be tested severely by one of the best fighting fish in the world. If there is any weakness in your equipment then the King will find it. Give yourself every chance to land a Kingie as quickly as possible - who wants to leave these magnificent game fish with a death sentence trailing from their mouths? 
 
With the cost of fuel, day trips, longer charter trips and other related expenses do yourself a big, big favour and heed Jimi's no BS, down to earth advice. Don't be a tightwad and whinge and whine on about your budget, mortgage etc. If you can't afford it, then wait until you can. Buy the best, forget the rest - after all we're not talking mega bucks here.
 
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I owned a T curve and caught plenty of gud kings up to 35kgs on it and it did a good job BUT it has now been replaced by a powerspell 500 and the difference in lift and pressure on the angler are vast looked at the terminator got a little advice from jimi and am very happy with it. Go on all serious jiggers deserve a jigging master rod!!!
 
By the way chopsticks T curve 400 is $350 and Terminator 400 is $450 Not the same price
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