Torium 20 questions
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Topic: Torium 20 questions
Posted By: Domdomingo
Subject: Torium 20 questions
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 6:52pm
Hi All, Am brand new to this new jigging craze, but am keen as to give it a wurl.  Plan to give it go on snaps to start with in Hauraki and Helena Bay areas, mainly in not too deep waters. I have a near new Torium 20(used about 3 or 4 times) on a Backbone Elite 10-15 kg rod that i though might make an ok starter set. Reel is spooled up with 30pd mono. From reading through this forum, obviously this mono needs to go? Maybe top shot of braid? What sort/strength/qty? Also, I know this is not an ideal rod to go with, as I bought this setup for snapper fishing at the barrier.... Maybe a not too expensive rod ($250-$300) would be a good investment??? Any help from you jigging people out there would be most appreciated, as I want to give to give this a go, but want to give myself best possible chances of catching fish this way. Cheers
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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 8:14pm
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The setup you have got there will be quite good for snapper jigging, it will also do ok for a bit of kingy jigging but may be lacking a bit in the power stakes for the big yellow tailed fighting machines.
If you want to try something a little more specialized in the rod department look at matching up your Torium with one of the new Terminater rods from jigging master in the 200 size, just got one of these myself and they are great value.
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 8:22pm
I'm new to this game myself, only starting this winter.
I've been using a TLD 15 with braid on an uglystik 10-15kg straylinging rod and a torium 16 with mono on an abu ultracast, neither really suited to the job but good enough to get me a few fish from.
I've just upgraded to the Terminator that ginga is talking about and can't wait to give it a thrash!
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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 8:28pm
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Good one Badfish you are gonna love your new Terminater
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 8:37pm
I'd better or I'm blaming YOU GUYS!
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 9:15pm
Cheers ginga, Will check these rods out So what about Braid vs Mono ? From what I read I should be able to get about 25 odd pds of drag from the Torium, which I think is the same as the Torium 30, so what should I spool up with????
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 9:20pm
Just checked the Jigs Direct website, and can only find pricing for a 250 size?  Is this the Terminator range? Any other websites I can check out pricing/availability for these?
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Posted By: S-Ray
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 10:00pm
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Hi, I have an (as new) kilwell fibremax speedjig 6-6 rod, high seat sics, palming reelseat, metal gimball etc, might be worth a look. Light as, suit the snapper plus plenty of grunt for the kingis, rated up to 80lbs. PM me if you are keen. Would look the part with the torium and may be more in the price range suggested. Terminators also a very nice option.
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 10:58pm
Domdomingo wrote:
Just checked the Jigs Direct website, and can only find pricing for a 250 size?  Is this the Terminator range? Any other websites I can check out pricing/availability for these?
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I know that slacker of a webmater who works for the Jigs Direct people. The Terminator 200 sells for $415 off their site. Drop them an email to mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] . You should also outline exactly what fish you target, water depth, location etc so that they can guide you with your rod choice. Terminators are very good value for $'s and performance and only bettered by the Power Spell rods.
The Torium20 is a good size reel that should easily fit plenty of 50lb braid like the Jig Star or more of the YGK Ultra. If you need more drag pressure then Jigs Direct can provide drag up grade kits that will give you more. Chopsticks can also talk you through additional components to wring out a few lbs more drag pressure too!
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 11:19pm
Twin Power wrote:
Hi, I have an (as new) kilwell fibremax speedjig 6-6 rod, high seat sics, palming reelseat, metal gimball etc, might be worth a look. Light as, suit the snapper plus plenty of grunt for the kingis, rated up to 80lbs. PM me if you are keen. Would look the part with the torium and may be more in the price range suggested. Terminators also a very nice option. |
Hmmmm, Lance from Enchanter had one such rod which was busted, replaced, busted again then money refunded. These rods are rated to 80lb (37kg) by virtue of it being capable of dead lifting 7kg? I don't understand how Kilwell derive this figure but that is what they advertise. The lightest Jigging Master rod capable of 80lb is the PS400 or TC400, these rods can dead lift 29kg and 28kg respectively - a far cry from 7kg I think you will agree. I'll heard some mixed views on these rods so please ask around the experienced jiggers for opinions on rod choice before you commit. Some of the shop professionals won't know what you are talking about so choose good people to speak to.
Sorry to diss your rod choice Twinpower, this is not a criticism of your good self. Some jig rods on the market are simply not up to handling big Kingies or even jigging well. There are some good brands on the NZ market like T-curves, Jigwrex and plenty others yet to make it down here.
Remember, there are jig rods and then there is Jigging Master rods - a world of difference in performance.
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 11:42pm
Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 8:22am
well said...a true tackle whore Have to agree with ya though. get the best...stuff the rest
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Posted By: S-Ray
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 9:03am
Cant disagree with the likes of Jimi and Chris - I was not saying the livefibre was up to Terminator/Powerspell Stds - just if the budget was not up to 400+ then this may be better than the Backbone? Just reading the 80lb from the rod, and it seem to be fine for kings up to 20kg, beyond that who knows. Also taking into account torium 20 which is at the lower end of the jigging drag pressure scale I guess. 1 X Kilwell livefibre rated to a huge 7kg (may break under pressure) free to a good home
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 9:57am
Yeah, those slack webmasters are a worry Chris  By reading through this and many other of the Heavy Metal forums, I only read great things about the JM rods. Guess i'll just have to save the extra $$$'s and get the best.... As I mentioned earlier in my post, plan to start with targeting Snapper, in around the Hauraki and Northland/Helena bay areas. Not too deep waters, but who knows? Chris would you ditch all the mono currently on this reel, and change it over to Jig Star 50pd braid, or just top shot it? Reel only used 3-4 times. Mono is 30pd Maxima. Should the std Torium 20 drag be up to slaying decent snaps, or would you slap a Carbontex drag kit in it from day one? Thanks again for all your advise!!!
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 10:02am
Cheers Jimijig, I appreciate any quality advise from guys who know there stuff, and by reading many of your previous posts, and ChrisW's, and Chopstix's, I can see i'm getting advise from the right people. No need for nice, just good f**kin' advise please  Don't want to waste my hard earned money on 2nd rate gear, only to be dissappointed when finally that great fish comes along 
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 10:28am
My little torium 16 has landed some good stropy kingies to 17kg, unfortunately its not had the chance on any bigger ones, but should be good for a good while on big snaps.
Mines not got upgraded drag, but when it wears out it will, its obviously dependent on personal preference.
If you want the peace of mind go the upgrade, but if you find its doing the damage... "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
I actually really like mine the way it is, I only worry about it because other people say they're a bit dodgy, but find me one reel of its price that people find to be perfect.
After all that theres just wanting something awesome, and thats all good too. Thats why I'm going to the Saltiga. Extra peace of mind and a bitta bragging rights never killed anyone
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Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 10:39am
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I spotted a couple of those jigwrex in a shop the other day. Have you guys used these or the tcurves? How do they rate against the jigging master terminator and powerspell?
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 11:08am
*stu* wrote:
I spotted a couple of those jigwrex in a shop the other day. Have you guys used these or the tcurves? How do they rate against the jigging master terminator and powerspell? |
I haven't tried a Jigwrex fishing although I've flexed a couple in the shop (as we do) and they have the right action. They are not top end rods in the Carpenter, Smith, JM, Zenaq, etc league in as much as the quality of assembly on most of them is somewhat sloppy. The components are okay but when I see guide rings out of square to the blank, reel seats that don't line up with the first guide and so on you'll understand what I mean. Nevertheless if you find a good one then I'm sure it will do the job.
As for T Curves I've tried a few 400's and I'd have to say that they appear to be well assembled, although only the first ring is under bound apparently. However they don't have the nice parabolic curve under load which helps when jigging and playing a strong fish. They are good strong rods although have seen a couple of them break - then again all rods can break. They are not bad value for money, especially if bought in a combo deal, though now that the Terminator rods are available at the same price I would definitely recommend the latter. The Terminator rods were well tested on our recent Ranfurly trip and they are very, very good and represent superb value for money.
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 11:43am
jimijig wrote:
Once again the topic of rods is bounced around,newbys to jigging should spend time and read alot of the early threads on rods,do you see a pattern? Take it from me and a couple of the other guys on this jigging site who spend alot of time on the water.......Spend the F###ing $ and buy the top shelf stuff,or go through life wondering why u spent so much on s##t that always didnt come up to the mark when it mattered. Im not here to be nice,im here to give advice,and i didnt get to be at the top of the heap by kicking tires and listnening to advice from people who have no idea. So when Chris ADVISES on a jm,take it,and its not because he sells the things,he uses them with some of the the best jiggers from asia and nz.
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This would have to be the best piece of advice you'll ever receive from anyone, anywhere with regards to jigging for Kingfish. 
If you're serious about taking on decent size Kingies, your gear is going to be tested severely by one of the best fighting fish in the world. If there is any weakness in your equipment then the King will find it. Give yourself every chance to land a Kingie as quickly as possible - who wants to leave these magnificent game fish with a death sentence trailing from their mouths?
With the cost of fuel, day trips, longer charter trips and other related expenses do yourself a big, big favour and heed Jimi's no BS, down to earth advice. Don't be a tightwad and whinge and whine on about your budget, mortgage etc. If you can't afford it, then wait until you can. Buy the best, forget the rest - after all we're not talking mega bucks here.
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 11:47am
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I owned a T curve and caught plenty of gud kings up to 35kgs on it and it did a good job BUT it has now been replaced by a powerspell 500 and the difference in lift and pressure on the angler are vast looked at the terminator got a little advice from jimi and am very happy with it. Go on all serious jiggers deserve a jigging master rod!!!
By the way chopsticks T curve 400 is $350 and Terminator 400 is $450 Not the same price
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 12:02pm
Thanks again for all the great advise pilling in here guys!!!! Don't think i will need a JM 400 or 500 for what will be mainly jigging for Snapper in 30-50m???
I was getting the jist that the JM Terminator 200 would be the right sort of rod for this sort of jigging, matched up to my Torium 20 (maybe with a tweaked drag), spooled with 50pd Jig Star braid????
F**k i'm getting confused!!! Jimijig, Chris, Chopsticks, any final thoughts here?
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 12:10pm
Sounds like an excellent set-up for your intended purposes.
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 12:21pm
Thanks Chopsticks, So here's my planned snapper rig:
Rod: JM Terminator 200 Reel: Torium 20 Braid: Jig Star 50pd
Now just need to get in touch with Chris for the rod and braid..... And maybe a pimp kit for the drag.... Oh yeah, and sort the finances 
Any last comments all?
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 4:57pm
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 5:28pm
Cheers Jimijig. So just a top shot of 100m of braid should do the trick for my requirements then. For the JM 200/Torium 20 what strength braid would you go with? Thanks.
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 5:44pm
Elpescador wrote:
By the way chopsticks T curve 400 is $350 and Terminator 400 is $450 Not the same price |
Elpescador,
Thanks for clearing that up. Where I shop the T Curve 400 is $399 so I guess they're ripping people off. I thought the Terminator 400 was $420 so I appologise for getting it wrong. May I be punished by a 40 kg Kingfish for my heinous error.
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 5:44pm
Just out of interest Jimijig what weight jigs would you chuck down on that 150 set up with the 9kg braid?
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 5:55pm
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2007 at 10:07pm
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2007 at 12:04pm
chopsticks wrote:
Elpescador wrote:
By the way chopsticks T curve 400 is $350 and Terminator 400 is $450 Not the same price |
Elpescador,
Thanks for clearing that up. Where I shop the T Curve 400 is $399 so I guess they're ripping people off. I thought the Terminator 400 was $420 so I appologise for getting it wrong. May I be punished by a 40 kg Kingfish for my heinous error. |
No punishment needed in fact may you be blessed with a 53kg Hoodlum just before i catch a 53.5kg one for christmas 
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2007 at 1:52pm
Domdomingo wrote:
Thanks Chopsticks, So here's my planned snapper rig:
Rod: JM Terminator 200 Reel: Torium 20 Braid: Jig Star 50pd
Now just need to get in touch with Chris for the rod and braid..... And maybe a pimp kit for the drag.... Oh yeah, and sort the finances 
Any last comments all?
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As Jimi says, go the 30lb braid not 50lb. The reel is slightly oversized for the JM200 but you gotta start somewhere. 30lb might be a tad brutal for snapper but a reasonable compromise when Kingies are in the mix. 3 Kings, White Isl & Ranfurly is pretty much 80lb stuff anf heavier rods.
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2007 at 9:20am
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Thats one nice snapper set! Im using a Daiwa Morethan Branzino on a T curve Saltwater spin 5-10kg with 10lb fireline for snapper. And remember even Santa is a jig fisherman!
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2007 at 10:50am
Cheers Jimi and Chris! So will top shot with 30pd Jig Star. New Kit sorted!!!
Rod: JM Terminator 200 Reel: Torium 20 Line: 30pd Jig Star braid
Thanks for all your help guys, its much appreciated 
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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2007 at 4:25pm
Posted By: pleasedelete
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2008 at 5:47pm
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Torium 20 - White Island.
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2008 at 7:01pm
Beaut Kingie Ghostrider. What jig did you nail it on?
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Posted By: pleasedelete
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 3:32pm
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Chopsticks - Those Pics are of Kiwi-Pathfinder( Greg) in action on a trip we did aboard Pursuit to White island.
I honestly cannot say what jig , that fish was taken on. But I was Kept very Very Busy on a 475 Gm Deep slim Zest jig , in the Mr Redhead/Lumo Colours , on my $40 Tica Rod and Daiwa SLH50shk with 24 Kg spectron braid , also landing Too many Kingis to remember numbers , but the largest being 24 KG.
But That fish on a Torium20 was the best "catch" I have seen in a Long while and shows what that gear is capable of.
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 5:55pm
Thanks Ghostrider. The jig you were using is my favourite too. The Torium is a good reel but many have had problems with the AR bearing failing. For the equivilent money, I think the Saltist is a better buy.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 9:59pm
Ghostrider wrote:
Chopsticks - Those Pics are of Kiwi-Pathfinder( Greg) in action on a trip we did aboard Pursuit to White island.
I honestly cannot say what jig , that fish was taken on. But I was Kept very Very Busy on a 475 Gm Deep slim Zest jig , in the Mr Redhead/Lumo Colours , on my $40 Tica Rod and Daiwa SLH50shk with 24 Kg spectron braid , also landing Too many Kingis to remember numbers , but the largest being 24 KG.
But That fish on a Torium20 was the best "catch" I have seen in a Long while and shows what that gear is capable of.
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But That fish on a Torium20 was the best "catch" I have seen in a Long while and shows what that gear is capable of.
Agreed ....that is a feat that will not be repeated in the near future on a torium 20,those fish "usually " destroy reels like that and i say this from the 50 odd trips ive done to white chasing kingies..amazing capture indeed
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2008 at 4:37pm
God Damn Ghost Rider !!!! Go the little Torium  Any ideas if this destroyed the Torium, or is it still alive???
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2008 at 1:56pm
of2fsh wrote:
But That fish on a Torium20 was the best "catch" I have seen in a Long while and shows what that gear is capable of.
Agreed ....that is a feat that will not be repeated in the near future on a torium 20,those fish "usually " destroy reels like that and i say this from the 50 odd trips ive done to white chasing kingies..amazing capture indeed
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Everyone would have to agree with you - even though the Torium is a good quality reel, that is an outstanding capture on the size 20.
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 8:34am
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I have a funny feeling that fish was caught on a livebait?? that fish punished greg but he gave back just as much
any upgrades for torium 16's?
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 8:40am
There is drag upgrades of course and I'm told that shimano are doing kits with a new side plate, drag washers etc etc and you wont loose your warranty.
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 10:29am
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Drag upgrade for Torium 16 is the same as the 20 try pm Chris Wong he has some
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 12:14pm
Chris sells the Carbontex drag washer upgrade kits. Not sure about the factory Shimano warranty using these drags kits? Best check with ChrisW. Haven't heard about any Shimano drag upgrade kits for the toriums?? Anyone else know about these?
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 3:20pm
I was talking to my mate who told me about the shimano upgrades and he sent me this http://shimanofish.com.au/catalog/fish/products/accessories/accessory_group_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302054240&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395181791&bmUID=1199845081149 - link . I'm not sure of the availability for NZ though. 4th one down
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 7:17pm
The factory upgrades are apparently pretty expensive. The Carbontex/Cal's drag plate is a better alternative. The Torium 16 & 20 use the same washers and plate as the Trinidad 16 & 20. I wouldn't worry about the warranty as they should still honour it if the failed part has nothing to do with the drag. If not just order the part and fix it yourself - it's not rocket science and there's a few tutorials on the net on how to do it.
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 8:01pm
Good link that one huh badfish spyed that one before loads of bling and upgrades including a 6500b (not jigging I know but well its still impressive) handle and drag up grade niiiiiiiice 
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 8:39pm
Yea I've already talked to the shimmy rep about getting myself some upgrades for my TLDs and toriums... but I'm no HO!
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 8:55pm
Badfish wrote:
Yea I've already talked to the shimmy rep about getting myself some upgrades for my TLDs and toriums... but I'm no HO! |
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 9:10pm
The Stella handle would be nice on my Thunnus 16000FA but was told it was about $180. 
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2008 at 10:08pm
Moocha wrote:
Badfish wrote:
Yea I've already talked to the shimmy rep about getting myself some upgrades for my TLDs and toriums... but I'm no HO! | Not addicted I can stop any time I want- Insert Tui ad here  |
I CAN STOP.... the money will dry up soon enough 
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Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 5:15pm
ChrisW wrote:
If you need more drag pressure then Jigs Direct can provide drag up grade kits that will give you more. Chopsticks can also talk you through additional components to wring out a few lbs more drag pressure too! |
can you get upgraded drags for the Tyrnos16 Chris?
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 5:37pm
Elpescador wrote:
Drag upgrade for Torium 16 is the same as the 20 try pm Chris Wong he has some |
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Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 6:27pm
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Domdomingo wrote:
Elpescador wrote:
Drag upgrade for Torium 16 is the same as the 20 try pm Chris Wong he has some
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Tyrnos16 not Torium16...... thats if you talking to me 
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Posted By: Domdomingo
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 9:36pm
Oops sorry about that PMP My bad.... Just had a look on the smoothdrag.com website for ya and counldn't see any for the Tyrnos reels listed.... Maybe ChrisW can sort you out a drag kit?
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 9:52pm
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got a stella kit put in my spheros and its a real beaut now.Got it done in Aus for about $100au stella handle, extra bearing, beefed up drag
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2008 at 10:34pm
PimPmyPopper wrote:
ChrisW wrote:
If you need more drag pressure then Jigs Direct can provide drag up grade kits that will give you more. Chopsticks can also talk you through additional components to wring out a few lbs more drag pressure too! |
can you get upgraded drags for the Tyrnos16 Chris? |
No sorry Rob, no Tyrnos. Just jigging reels.
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Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2008 at 1:08pm
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