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    Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 3:38am
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I see the chaps in Aus get King Mackerel. In South Africa the Lesser Barred Mackerel (Cuda) is seasonal. My question to you guys, besides Jap Mackerel, do you guys also catch a species of the King/Spanish Mackerel in Kiwi waters?

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No just bait mackerel
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I'm sure I've caught Spanish makeral down here in opunake in late summer when snapper fishing.atleast that's what I been told it was.
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I got Spanish Mackerel in the Bay of Islands. They do exist down here.
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Photos macka? I'd bet you caught slimy macks, not spanish
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I've caught Jack macs that are absolute horses. Look the same but are on steroids. Are these a different sub species? I'll get some photos next time before sending them to the depths with bling attached.

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I am no expert and Herby is more qualified to comment but the mackeral we have here (as far as I know) are Jack mackeral (yellowtail mackeral) slimy mackeral (English or blue mackeral) Koheru (not a mackeral???) and Chilean Jack mackeral (again not sure).

Spanish mackeral look superficially like Spanish mackeral although I have never seen one in real life.
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Lethal has pics, but as a general rule, mackerel include the; slimy, blue, english (have caught up to 7lb) ...where as Jack, Yellowtail, Horse and perhaps south americans are quite different.

Then we have Koheru, blue and yellow...


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Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

Photos macka? I'd bet you caught slimy macks, not spanish
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Yep a slimey
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Spanish Macks look like Wahoo and have teeth that are razor sharp.
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Macka, i know that as a Mackerel.
As Muppet says, great bait and awesome to eat.

The Barred Mackeral (Cuda) caught in SA get up to 34kg. There are many different species of Mackerel starting from that slimey, up to the Queen and King Mackeral.

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The great confusion comes from the word 'mackerel' being used a lot in different fish names, sometimes for completely unrelated fish. Thus:
 
Slimy mackerel are part of the tuna family (Scombridae) but are completed unrelated to jack mackerel (trevally/kingfish family - Carangidae).
 
Both are small species that never get much longer than 60cms, and while the slimy mackerel is related to the completely foreign Spanish mackerel by being in the same family (Scombridae) it is not in the same genus (Scomberomorus).
 
Indeed the Scomberomorus type mackerels (long bodies, stripes or dots on side, razor sharp shearing teeth) have never been found in New Zealand (wahoo are a different genus again).
 
Just to complicate matters- frigate tuna (with a distinct mackerel pattern on their sides) are occasionally found in New Zealand and mackerel tuna (looks like a large frigate tuna) could be. Confusing? Yes.
 


 
 
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Great info Craig.Thumbs Up

Spot on.

In South Africa the 'Couta (not Cuda) as per original post is the same species as the Aussie Spaniard or narrow barred mackerel - Scomberomerus Commersoni
In Mozambique and parts of Asia it's also called Tanguigue.

The Cuda, Barracouta, Barracuda opens up a whole new can of worms totally unrelated to the mackerel thread.

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Originally posted by macka2012 macka2012 wrote:

Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

Photos macka? I'd bet you caught slimy macks, not spanish


Blue mackerel are great to eat. Juveniles are caught amongst schools of Jack mackerel.
Frigate mackerel are caught at times on skippy lures. They look very similar to skippies but have a similar pattern as blue mackerel.
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Does the Mako count as a Mackerel member :D 
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Originally posted by Jaapie Jaapie wrote:

Great info Craig.Thumbs Up

Spot on.

In South Africa the 'Couta (not Cuda) as per original post is the same species as the Aussie Spaniard or narrow barred mackerel - Scomberomerus Commersoni
In Mozambique and parts of Asia it's also called Tanguigue.

The Cuda, Barracouta, Barracuda opens up a whole new can of worms totally unrelated to the mackerel thread.



Hey Jaapie.
"Cuda" is what All the Durban fisherman affectionately call the Narrow Barred Mackerel. To digress, only confusion is to spell it "Cuda" or "Cuta". I have never seen it spelled "Couta" although the prinounciation is as you have spelled it.

The word in way way refers to a Barracuda what so ever and as you correctly state, that is a completely different topic.

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