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Got a big surprise (of the "Extreme"ly unpleasant kind) today at the Poor Knights. We had just finished diving in South harbour, gone into Riko Cave and came ou
t to see these guys long lining within the 1 nautical mile commercial fishing exclusion zone. I motored over and incredulously asked what the hell they thought they were doing. "We're outside the reserve mate" was the answer. They carried on retrieving the undersize fish and sharks while we took photos and video and checked the gps coordinates. Managed to get Sam, the skipper of Perfect Day to come over and witness as well as take GPS coordinates to verify our own. Rang the DOC ranger and she checked the coordinates and confirmed they were fishing illegally. Turns out though that DOC don't have juristiction outside the 800m reserve so it's up to Fisheries. DOC ranger passed on all the details to Fisheries. I got back into Tuts to find the boat tied up to the fishing dock so I alerted the authorities. haven't heard anything back yet.
They were at least 700m inside the 1 nautical mile commercial exclusion zone and we have dozens of witnesses, photos and video. Now we wait and see what fisheries does







the out come of this one will be interesting,
Comm fishing in Reserve could have far reaching consequences.


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Strange no one takes responsibility.cost Roger 3k for towing a lure which he forgot he even had out.making passage barrier to Brett .went to knights for lunch.potted by a charter boat.1998 made donation via whangarei court to some northland bird fund
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Typical Government stuff up.......Lethal.
They impose a limit on the reserve and do not agree on the correct agencies on how it should be policed. I believe that only one agency should police the fishing exclusion zone, not two as you have reported.

Dived and fished Gt Barrier on the weekend. Man that place is depleted. All fisherman need a marine reserve on part of the Barrier to help rebuild stocks.
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From what is said above they are not in the reserve. They are in a commercial exclusion zone of which the must be plenty around the coast. I do hope they get busted although I suspect it may unfortunately not be as severe as you might think.
To me it makes sense that its not DOC but rather MPI as they aren't in the Poor Knights reserve.
Don- must have been bad luck- I still find Barrier pretty good. Crays can be hit and miss but way better than Mercs/Coro way.
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Wouldn't count on it mate. I got video footage of commercial cray pots waaayyy inside goat island reserve. Had the vessels name and I'd number on them, plus footage on my plotter which very clearly showed they were inside the marked reserve boundary. Sent it to mpi and got a response about 6 weeks later saying there was insufficient evidence....
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The Poor Knights Islands Marine Reserve is a protected area off the coast of the North Island of New Zealand. The reserve, established in 1981 and covering an area of 2400 ha, is administered by the Department of Conservation.

That's what wiki has to say about it.
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Originally posted by petethemeat petethemeat wrote:

From what is said above they are not in the reserve. They are in a commercial exclusion zone of which the must be plenty around the coast. I do hope they get busted although I suspect it may unfortunately not be as severe as you might think.
To me it makes sense that its not DOC but rather MPI as they aren't in the Poor Knights reserve.
Don- must have been bad luck- I still find Barrier pretty good. Crays can be hit and miss but way better than Mercs/Coro way.


Sounds to me as thought the commercial exclusion zone is part of the reserve when you read this....

When the reserve was originally founded in 1981, commercial fishing was banned, but recreational fishing was still allowed. A full ban on fishing was finally implemented seventeen years later in 1998.[3] Currently, it is prohibited to disturb marine life or remove rocks or shells in the marine reserve. No commercial fishing is permitted within one nautical mile (1,852 m) and long lining is the only commercial fishing permitted between one and three nautical miles. The islands are a popular diving location due to the variety of marine fauna found there, and are popular also for their intriguing landforms, which include natural arches and caves.
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Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

The Poor Knights Islands Marine Reserve is a protected area off the coast of the North Island of New Zealand. The reserve, established in 1981 and covering an area of 2400 ha, is administered by the Department of Conservation.
But they were not inside the reserve.
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Originally posted by petethemeat petethemeat wrote:

Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

The Poor Knights Islands Marine Reserve is a protected area off the coast of the North Island of New Zealand. The reserve, established in 1981 and covering an area of 2400 ha, is administered by the Department of Conservation.
But they were not inside the reserve.
I think we posted at the same time LOL
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Originally posted by JAKE D JAKE D wrote:

Wouldn't count on it mate. I got video footage of commercial cray pots waaayyy inside goat island reserve. Had the vessels name and I'd number on them, plus footage on my plotter which very clearly showed they were inside the marked reserve boundary. Sent it to mpi and got a response about 6 weeks later saying there was insufficient evidence....
that sucks.
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Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
 
I doubt there was ever such a law.
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Interesting comments on the commercial fishing forums on Facebook, seems a lot don't agree with this and a lot won't even fish on long weekends
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From reading all above posts it would seem no one is in charge . All tangled up in Red tape and a lack of will to protect these World class reserves.
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Originally posted by MarkE MarkE wrote:

Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
 
I doubt there was ever such a law.
i stand to be corrected but would it not be on the owner of vessel to prove they had no intention of fishing.The same would apply if on holiday and you had scuba gear but had been free diving for paua,what is one suppose to do with scubagear?leave on another vessel or beach?

UBA Restrictions No person may be in possession of Underwater Breathing Apparatus (UBA) while collecting or in possession of paua (this includes having UBA in your vehicle or on your vessel). This is to protect the productive potential of paua in the area. 
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
 
Been anchored in close rods everywhere having lunch and the ranger pulled up.
No problem at all and didn't mind them checking either.
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Originally posted by Otto Otto wrote:

Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
 
Been anchored in close rods everywhere having lunch and the ranger pulled up.
No problem at all and didn't mind them checking either.
is there a difference between a DOC and fisheries officer inspecting?do they have the same guidelines?
Just trying to get the clear facts incase i get up that way.I presume if you had been fishing somewhere else and fillets dated and in fridge/freezer that would be ok or would it raise a question?
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If it were a rec he would have got his fine in his post box already bloody BS that is!Angry
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