who is in charge of the Poor Knights reserve?
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Topic: who is in charge of the Poor Knights reserve?
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: who is in charge of the Poor Knights reserve?
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 10:59pm
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posted from FaceBook, They were at least 700m inside the 1 nautical mile commercial exclusion zone and we have dozens of witnesses, photos and video. Now we wait and see what fisheries does    the out come of this one will be interesting, Comm fishing in Reserve could have far reaching consequences. ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 3:21am
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Strange no one takes responsibility.cost Roger 3k for towing a lure which he forgot he even had out.making passage barrier to Brett .went to knights for lunch.potted by a charter boat.1998 made donation via whangarei court
to some northland bird fund ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: MacSkipper
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 6:10am
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Grrrr....makes my blood boil ------------- Good fishing trip nothing breaks, great trip catch fish. |
Posted By: Don18025
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 6:44am
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Typical Government stuff up.......Lethal. They impose a limit on the reserve and do not agree on the correct agencies on how it should be policed. I believe that only one agency should police the fishing exclusion zone, not two as you have reported. Dived and fished Gt Barrier on the weekend. Man that place is depleted. All fisherman need a marine reserve on part of the Barrier to help rebuild stocks.
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Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 7:31am
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From what is said above they are not in the reserve. They are in a commercial exclusion zone of which the must be plenty around the coast. I do hope they get busted although I suspect it may unfortunately not be as severe as you might think. To me it makes sense that its not DOC but rather MPI as they aren't in the Poor Knights reserve. Don- must have been bad luck- I still find Barrier pretty good. Crays can be hit and miss but way better than Mercs/Coro way. ------------- 
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Posted By: JAKE D
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 8:13am
| Wouldn't count on it mate. I got video footage of commercial cray pots waaayyy inside goat island reserve. Had the vessels name and I'd number on them, plus footage on my plotter which very clearly showed they were inside the marked reserve boundary. Sent it to mpi and got a response about 6 weeks later saying there was insufficient evidence.... |
Posted By: Raging Bull
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:49am
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The Poor Knights Islands Marine Reserve is a protected area off the coast of the North Island of New Zealand. The reserve, established in 1981 and covering an area of 2400 ha, is administered by the Department of Conservation. That's what wiki has to say about it. |
Posted By: Raging Bull
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:51am
Sounds to me as thought the commercial exclusion zone is part of the reserve when you read this.... When the reserve was originally founded in 1981, commercial fishing was banned, but recreational fishing was still allowed. A full ban on fishing was finally implemented seventeen years later in 1998.[3] Currently, it is prohibited to disturb marine life or remove rocks or shells in the marine reserve. No commercial fishing is permitted within one nautical mile (1,852 m) and long lining is the only commercial fishing permitted between one and three nautical miles. The islands are a popular diving location due to the variety of marine fauna found there, and are popular also for their intriguing landforms, which include natural arches and caves. |
petethemeat wrote:Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:52am
But they were not inside the reserve. -------------
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Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:53am
I think we posted at the same time  -------------
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Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:54am
that sucks. -------------
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 12:19pm
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Does the law still stand regarding having fishing gear onboard when in a reserve.having fish gear onboard even though your not fishing that you can still be prosecuted because there is the potential to fish?
------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 1:18pm
I doubt there was ever such a law. ------------- Sea Strike 18' Centre Console - Under Construction.... http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/sea-strike-18-build-thread_topic87723_page1.html" rel="nofollow - Build Thread here |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 1:23pm
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Interesting comments on the commercial fishing forums on Facebook, seems a lot don't agree with this and a lot won't even fish on long weekends ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 2:30pm
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From reading all above posts it would seem no one is in charge . All tangled up in Red tape and a lack of will to protect these World class reserves. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 5:38pm
UBA Restrictions
No person may be in possession of Underwater Breathing Apparatus (UBA)
while collecting or in possession of paua (this includes having UBA in your
vehicle or on your vessel). This is to protect the productive potential of
paua in the area. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 5:46pm
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Posted By: Otto
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 5:52pm
Been anchored in close rods everywhere having lunch and the ranger pulled up. No problem at all and didn't mind them checking either.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 7:20pm
Just trying to get the clear facts incase i get up that way.I presume if you had been fishing somewhere else and fillets dated and in fridge/freezer that would be ok or would it raise a question? ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 7:28pm
If it were a rec he would have got his fine in his post box already bloody BS that is!
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 8:21pm
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fisheries officer i think has similar power as a policeman, some like the one up here in Kerikeri is also the Harbour Master, interesting that one. DOC have restrictions, ithey are not trained in the same manner as a fisheries officer, they could call on the police for assistance if they find you in the wrong place but cant fully arrest you except as a citizen arrest i believe, MPI will certainly look into it and if we make enough noise will have to do something for sure i would have thought, but then MPI seam to be a pack of wimps when it comes to dealing with people that feed their own hand... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 12:26pm
the latest from NZ Herald,Commercial fishing boat snapped in marine reserve. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11430014" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11430014 An ocean ecologist says he is extremely disappointed after he saw a commercial fishing boat allegedly longline fishing at the Poor Knights Islands Marine Reserve. Glenn Edney, who also skippers a dive charter boat out of Tutukaka to the Poor Knights, off the east coast of Northland, said he saw the boat fishing around the islands on Tuesday. Recreational and commercial fishing is restricted around the marine reserve, which extends 800m offshore around the islands. The Fisheries Act prohibits longline fishing by commercial boats within 1 nautical mile (1.8km) of the islands. It also prohibits trawling within 3 nautical miles of the islands. Mr Edney said he was snorkelling with a group of friends near the Riko Riko cave when he noticed the commercial fishing boat. "It looked a little suspicious, I have to say, because they were pretty close in, and they did appear to be fishing," he said. "These guys, according to my GPS and according to the other charter boat I called over to verify ... were somewhere around about 600-700m inside the 1 nautical mile exclusion zone for commercial fishing." Mr Edney has laid a complaint with the Ministry for Primary Industries. He said the Department of Conservation (DoC), which was tasked with taking care of marine reserves across New Zealand, did a "fantastic job". However, he said DoC had have very few resources, and it was up to other people who used the marine reserve to keep an eye out. Mr Edney was concerned about an increase in illegal fishing at Poor Knights. "Unfortunately there have been very few prosecutions. It's difficult to get prosecutions and people are getting frustrated because of that." Mr Edney has since posted a statement and photos of the alleged longline fishing boat to his Facebook page. The post has been shared over 700 times. "I'm a little surprised at how viral the Facebook thing has gone - but it really indicates just how passionately people feel about not only the marine reserves, but also about not playing ball and fishing illegally." ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 6:42pm
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interesting how the Comm's are insisting sharks/whales/seals could have dragged the long line into the reserve, nah they wouldn't on purpose do that... first off, here is the area they fish for Snapper on East coast, called SNA01. then there is this poky little place called the Poor Knights just happens to be bulging/over flowing with snapper all waiting to be caught by the Commercial fleet, well that is why the reserve was put there in the first place wasn't it? for the Comm's to slaughter as they left the area right to populate others....  when you consider we have some Comm's complaining there are way too many snapper why are they targeting Reserves anyway????? ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 6:56pm
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Whales dragging the line into the reserve. Were they using plankton for bait. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 1:19am
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Honestly it was accidental..cant you see where this is headed yet once again ,talk about only seeing their feet ( I wont say where the rest of the person is )But MPI protect their interest's which would appear to be Commercial orientated ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Wha North
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 10:11pm
| Where is it or who was it that the comms have said the lines were dragged in the reserve? |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 10:24pm
------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 11:42pm
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have a look on Commercial fishing forum on Face Book, ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Choirs Reef
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 7:23am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11703735" rel="nofollow - An ocean conservationist instrumental in setting up the Poor Knights Islands marine reserve has welcomed the more than $25,000 fines and costs imposed on a commercial fisherman caught fishing in the prohibited area. |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 8:31am
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Way not enough. 10% of the boats value... not even that. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 5:34pm
Whilst I agree with you Mike, but I am sure a $25K fine will hurt a 26 year old fishing boat Captain and I wonder if his employers dismissed him as a result?
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 7:06pm
Yeah I agree, that is a huge fine for a young man. A well deserved fine though. It was his choice to fish there. People do tend to think of commercial fishermen as corporate entities but this guy chose to do that. A good result. I believe the worst offenders by percentage are recreational fishers. Ask almost anyone with only a passing interest in fishing and they won't know a trevally from a jack mack (I once went on a charter where the skipper didn't know the difference ... sad but true), a snapper from a porae. Let alone know the regulations. Go to any wharf and try it. Those are the 90% of the 1 000 000 fishermen who shoot, fish and vote. How many of them participate in these forums? Only the ten percenters and those who are on the right path. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |