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Word around here is that a number, if not all, comm. trawlers have been given permission to switch off their observation cameras.

Am I the only one who thought that they were a permanent thing only to find out now that they were only a trial?
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Um WTF. Would love to hear an explanation as to why they have been switched off
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you can only guess, if its true...
Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Now the elections over the government don't need to worry about upsetting recreational fishermen for another three years so they can keep their friends in the commercial sector happy.
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Shouldn't this thread be in the Fisheries Management forum?
Saying this just for the sake of consistency is all....Confused
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Probably no coincidence that it coincides with the rollover of commercial quotas at the star of this month, will be a free-for-all to scoop up the migrating fish.
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Can anyone verify if this in fact true, or if it's just another rumour before coms get another tongue-lashing?
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Weren't they mandatory from Oct 1 2015?
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Originally posted by SSManukau SSManukau wrote:

Probably no coincidence that it coincides with the rollover of commercial quotas at the star of this month, will be a free-for-all to scoop up the migrating fish.


So all the coms shoot out and completly fill there quotas in a "free for all " do they ?
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Good news for all you com haters,a good bloke who's long linned the gulf for many years has hung up his hooks,a shame really as hes indirectly helped me out many times catch fish when times were tough.
There not all bad ......
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Originally posted by of2fsh of2fsh wrote:

Originally posted by SSManukau SSManukau wrote:

Probably no coincidence that it coincides with the rollover of commercial quotas at the star of this month, will be a free-for-all to scoop up the migrating fish.


So all the coms shoot out and completly fill there quotas in a "free for all " do they ?

No not all I'm sure but it certainly appears that a few do, I can't comment first hand on this year as I have moved to Nelson but if the last 3 years of early October missions to Channel Island are anything to go by, they certainly give it a good nudge. 

Across 5 trips in that time, we have counted a minimum of 8 and a maximum of 14 trawlers working the front of Colville Channel. Which makes sense as huge numbers of snapper migrate through a relatively narrow stretch of water. I don't blame them as it makes the best economic sense to target these bigger masses of fish, as they can knock off a good chunk of their quota with minimal effort and expenditure.

I'm certainly not one of those that has a blind hatred for commercial fishing, it is an integral part of our economy and not everyone has access to fresh fish without it, and I realise that quotas do need to have a rollover date. It is just unfortunate timing for Hauraki Gulf snapper in that this time is when they are migrating in large schools and are an easy target.
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Originally posted by SSManukau SSManukau wrote:

Originally posted by of2fsh of2fsh wrote:

Originally posted by SSManukau SSManukau wrote:

Probably no coincidence that it coincides with the rollover of commercial quotas at the star of this month, will be a free-for-all to scoop up the migrating fish.


So all the coms shoot out and completly fill there quotas in a "free for all " do they ?


No not all I'm sure but it certainly appears that a few do, I can't comment first hand on this year as I have moved to Nelson but if the last 3 years of early October missions to Channel Island are anything to go by, they certainly give it a good nudge. 

Across 5 trips in that time, we have counted a minimum of 8 and a maximum of 14 trawlers working the front of Colville Channel. Which makes sense as huge numbers of snapper migrate through a relatively narrow stretch of water. I don't blame them as it makes the best economic sense to target these bigger masses of fish, as they can knock off a good chunk of their quota with minimal effort and expenditure.

I'm certainly not one of those that has a blind hatred for commercial fishing, it is an integral part of our economy and not everyone has access to fresh fish without it, and I realise that quotas do need to have a rollover date. It is just unfortunate timing for Hauraki Gulf snapper in that this time is when they are migrating in large schools and are an easy target.


Shivers I didn't realize there was 14 trawlers targeting spring snapper ,I better get out there ASAP
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My info came direct from a trawler skipper who also stated that about 12 of his fellow skippers (working for same outfit?) have either turned the cameras off or simply cut the wires.
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that makes for an interesting thought, why would you unless you had something to hide??????
right at this time of year when the snapper are at their most vulnerable you dont want anyone seeing what your up to.
would love someone to tell us if this is legal or not...
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I think you will find that he Minister has made a commitment for 25% of trawl fishing in SNA1 from 1 October 2013, rising to 50% from 1 October 2014 and 100% from 1 October 2015. This monitoring was via observer or camera coverage. In order to test the cameras as a monitoring tool a five month trial was carried out on 10 trawl vessels. I am told this trial concluded on 31 August.

As you mention the cameras have been stood down while the trial is evaluated. This should lead to improvements and or expansion of the electronic monitoring programme. During the period while the cameras are not operating there will be on-going observer coverage.
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Thanks for that update Graeme and appreciate you coming on here with an update on what's happening.
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thank you as well from me,
any idea if they might publish any results?

i had an interesting Email the other day sent to me from MPI,

31st of August 1994,

the NSFMG carried out a Monitoring investigating Juvenile catch by season by single Trawl in the HG only,

the undersized percentage is 23.5% by number and 9.9% by weight,

the report also says a 4% of legal fish discarded over the side....

since then there has been another study done 2 FEB 1995
but this one has a confidentiality clause which makes MPI keep it a secret...

so what are they hiding? you can only guess that it must be damming for them not to release it....

and now we have cameras being disconnected or wires cut to stop anymore Monitoring????
why in-case someone exposes something???? 


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Originally posted by AlexFyssher AlexFyssher wrote:

Um WTF. Would love to hear an explanation as to why they have been switched off


Because the don't work properly .Now they say that they will supply their cameras ....
That's the truth of the matter

That's what we expected wasn't it ? .
This is why we will get up and close with ours when we can ..Nothing like u tube footage ,seeing is believing
We will have unedited and show the real story.

No one has to evaluate any thing...Another tactic being pushed by Coms to stall and delay .
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Hi macherel, yes interesting,
it do's not say anything about standing down for evaluation, sort of makes a mockery of the whole situation due to the influx right now of fish heading into the gulf, just when they are likely to have their greatest catches they disconnect from recording, that means they get to screw the resources for another Year before any info comes out,
how much can these guys get away with before it all comes to a head????

http://beehive.govt.nz/release/new-monitoring-programme-snapper-1-fishing-vessels

The monitoring programme will initially cover 25% of the commercial trawl fleet, expanding to 50% of the fleet by 1 October 2014 and all of the fleet by 1 October 2015.

“This programme will provide greater information on the total commercial catch, particularly on the numbers of small snapper being caught and the size, age, location and timing of commercial catch generally.

“The information will provide the public and recreational fishers with greater reassurance that commercial fishers are following the rules. In general most are, but it will now be much tougher to break the law and get away with it.

“I’m very pleased that the fishing industry are also developing a ‘move on’ rule where fishers will have to move on from a fishing spot if too many juvenile fish are being caught.”

Work is also underway on introducing mandatory vessel monitoring systems on all commercial vessels by 1 October 2014, and a $7 million scientific tagging survey will be introduced by 1 October 2014.

“I want to thank the fishing industry for their support and willingness to work with officials to get these programmes up and running.”


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the funny part of this is 

Quote “I want to thank the fishing industry for their support and willingness to work with officials to get these programmes up and running.”
 

 When you consider the comment that they had already cut wires etc 
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