Vibration issues

Page  12>
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote MATTOO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Vibration issues
    Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 8:56am
MATTOO View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium


Joined: 10 Sep 2010
Location: The Dawn
Status: Offline
Points: 7951
Just repowered by 5.5 surtees with a suzuki 115hp 4 stroke 25" leg.
Motor quiet when idling yay. But up and running booo. It seems noisy and the vibrations are so far, through the range. Have not done full throttle yet as still only running in.
Yes will look at prop but really this is f in annoying.
Searched for threads not enouh info hence my own post.
At this point it has taken out all the joy out of a new motor.
Would appreciate so good direction .

Still cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote RC1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 10:20am
RC1 View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 22 Mar 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 1180
invest in some good vibra-stop pads that go between the engine and hull.
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote MATTOO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 10:39am
MATTOO View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium


Joined: 10 Sep 2010
Location: The Dawn
Status: Offline
Points: 7951
Have pad, Is there a brand or composite difference.

Still cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote red89mx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 12:06pm
red89mx View Drop Down
Gold
Gold
Avatar

Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Location: Plimmerton, NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 880
Mattoo - 4/strokes are so differnt in noise characteristics than the 2/s that they can still seem noisy.  Need to jump back on a 2/s for benchmarking.

In saying that I have found the Suzukies I have been on to be a bit more noisy (gutteral?)  than the Yammys when under the hammer.

There are variances even with same engine  -  last November I swapped out a 700hr 2006 F150 Yammy for an new 2012 F150 Yammy on same boat Surt 6.1HT with same mounting pads and  the new engine is definitely noiser than the old unit.

Also the Surt Hard Tops can be a resonance box.... the local dealer was steering folk away from the DF140 on the 6.1 HT's in favour of the DF150 due to resonance .  And the DF140/115 used to be twins - do not think that is the case now though.

Why don't you PM Davo and discuss - he has run his DF115 in on the 5.5HT .
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Fissure Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 12:26pm
Fissure View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 30 Oct 2007
Location: Wellington
Status: Offline
Points: 4351
yeah hopefully davo will chime in then you can compare apples. my DF50A has a slight ringing noise between 1400-2000 revs which i'm assured is the pinion rising up very slightly, (not shimmed on 40, 50 and 60hp) until the load comes on. the motor is so quiet it was killing my enjoyment until the dealer came out with me and explained it in detail. i still think its crazy it does this. i've heard there are other products out there as well as the vibra-stop. just make sure its not the bait board or something...

Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Jet_ski_fisher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 12:33pm
Jet_ski_fisher View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 08 Dec 2008
Location: Whakatane
Status: Offline
Points: 15
my 2 stroke use to hum like hell, found out the virbra stop did work but not as well, so took it off, and found out the bolts did not have washers as ya call em on them under the main metal washers, so was metal on metal. but changed them and things was sweet as. so was sweet as when metal on metal was eliminated.. 
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote MATTOO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 12:53pm
MATTOO View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium


Joined: 10 Sep 2010
Location: The Dawn
Status: Offline
Points: 7951
Thanks guys, I will keep waiting for more responses though. 
Use the boat very regularly so know the feeling/sound between my old 2 stroke and now the sound of the 4. Good point though.
Not a hard top but there is definetly a resonance there, harmonic hum whatever.(it is an alloy boat...but)
Will check the bolt points know exactly what you mean there. They should be in sleeved or collard washer to remove the two hard surfaces will check that out.
Fitted by a Suzuki dealer so I will contact them on monday. I just want to have as much info, research and inspection done before conversation.
And importantly you guys have like me so many experiences and skills that I should be able to gain some excellent info as have so far.
Cheers guys keep it pumping.
Still cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Durban Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 1:49pm
Durban View Drop Down
Gold
Gold


Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 987
if you have fiddled with the plug wires & perhaps put one cap on the wrong plug it will through the timing out too & the motor will vibrate
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote fillets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 2:25pm
fillets View Drop Down
Silver
Silver
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2011
Location: Kerikeri
Status: Offline
Points: 249
The vibra stop if retrofitting it do u need just the pads between the hull and motor or the whole system (bolt holders and all) needs to be installed? I've just put a new 200 Suzuki on my boat and the vibrations up abit
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote smudge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 2:39pm
smudge View Drop Down
Moderator - Ninja
Moderator - Ninja
Avatar

Joined: 17 Jul 2002
Location: Te Toro
Status: Offline
Points: 33664
with regard to Durbans post:

Is the performance ok? If it isn't performing well or is thirsty it could be a misfire/tuning issue. If a plug cap is on wrong it will run terribly!
Best gurnard fisherman in my street
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote fillets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 2:52pm
fillets View Drop Down
Silver
Silver
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2011
Location: Kerikeri
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Performance and economy are sweet as just that vibration was a slight issue did jump up from a 150 opti but

Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Norseman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 3:31pm
Norseman View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 13 Jul 2003
Location: out fishing
Status: Offline
Points: 1561
You mentioned you have a 25" extra long shaft Suzuki on your 5.5 Surtees. Curious is that what that transom is design for?
"Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength." St. Francis de Sales
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote MATTOO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 4:38pm
MATTOO View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium


Joined: 10 Sep 2010
Location: The Dawn
Status: Offline
Points: 7951
Just to highlight, looking for questions I haven't asked myself Stern Smile, or those with real time experience  Geek.
It is brand new, 2 hours old. It has vibra pad, the transom designed to suit under surtees instruction.


Still cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote plastic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2013 at 11:44pm
plastic View Drop Down
Silver
Silver


Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 238
I had an anoying vibration type drumming at the cruizing revs on my 5.5 workmate, folding top with a honda 90. If you held on to the steering wheel and moved your head back as far as you can it dissappeared so it must have been resonance in the cabin, considerred lining it but bought a 6.1 with a F150 instead. Nice
Why is the man who invests your money called a "Broker"
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Denny Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2013 at 9:43am
Denny Boy View Drop Down
Silver
Silver
Avatar

Joined: 03 Dec 2007
Location: Urenui Taranaki
Status: Offline
Points: 492
Hi-a mate of mine has a 5.5 with the 90 Zuk and that is as quiet as under idle and normal cruising, no vibra-stop or any noise dampening control on it but under power it's appreciably noisier than the 115 Opti that I have on my 5.5. I'm talking straight-out motor noise here as there isn't any noticeable droning that I can detect. Having said all this I had a 90 Zuk on a Stabi and that had a really loud drone at around 4000rpm enough to make pins and connections vibrate as well as your head. It could possibly be a particular character of these motors, I haven't been in a boat with other 4 strokes to compare. 
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote 3rnzir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2013 at 10:18pm
3rnzir View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum


Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 1234
What about trying different propellor hub brands?
Peace.Via superior firepower..
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Men In Black Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 6:58pm
Men In Black View Drop Down
Forum Sponsor
Forum Sponsor
Avatar

Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 3235
I orginal had the DF115 on our 6.1 Surtees workmate..
it had similar vibration issues at certain revs, just happened to be cruising speed... we changed the prop to a smaller pitch in the end and it settled down about 70% better. Funny thing was when I upgraded the motor to the bigger DF150 in 2010 all vibration just disappeared...the old motor was fitted to my neighbors 610 Sportscraft as an upgrade from his old Merc 115 2stroke, he ended up having to fit the original Suzuki prop back on the DF115 to stop the thing from vibrating. All alloy boats resonate to some degree.
www.synit.co.nz
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Davo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2013 at 7:46pm
Davo View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3541
Sorry for being slow on the feedback. Ive gone from a 90hp to a 115hp (both suzuki 4 strokes) on my 5.5 hardtop. The difference in handling and performance is awesome. I had vibration issues to start. I have a vibra stop pad (always had one). It seems to help. I wasnt happy with the vibration noises so got my dealer to drop the engine one hole, tweak the bolts up a bit more and i put in some of the insul tape for window draughts in on the rear battery compartment and that pretty much killed the noises. I still get a low drumming through the hull at very low revs when the engine is in gear but im used to it now and figure itll help raise big pelagics...hope thats useful.

Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote MATTOO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2013 at 8:58am
MATTOO View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium


Joined: 10 Sep 2010
Location: The Dawn
Status: Offline
Points: 7951
Been watching and appreciate the feedback. 
I have taken all on board and with my own experience in chassis construction and vibration issues have taken a course to remedy.
Firstly there are as you all have seen a number of areas to take into account and all play there part. It is a matter of eliminating the obvious until you end up with the acceptable compromise in some situations.
My course of action has been to seek your feedback which is real time experience, professional mechanics experience and my own.
I have implemented the next stage which is to drill out the existing mounting bolt points in the transom and replace with tubes to accept a bushing rubber of which there are many grades.
Hard surfaces to hard surfaces, ie; motor bracket, to bolt, to transom is really unacceptable. Think cars early hard suspension or no engine bushing to todays isolated componentry.
Add a vibra pad and collared bushes as mentioned before.
This is stage two.
The next stage if required will be to assess the prop size/pitch, as the range of the prop sizes is very good for this motor and I'm starting with a 20" S/S.
If this all fails then the remaining options will fall into the category of acceptable conditions as the motor can be such that its natural harmonics are just that, and in relation to the the hull or boat construction and its own natural harmonics.
Thanks again for your input and when mods and trials are completed I will inform you of my results.
I can suggest to you all that as consumers of products you should ask since it is not yet standard practice for installation, will your motor be mounted with vibration taken into account and at what cost. This is particularly important with alloy construction. Though a sea trial on a boat and motor formula that is the same as the set up you are going to use/install will be most informative.
The cost for my above re-installation method may not be cheap but for my needs is an important area of my overall boating enjoyment. Just like TAS syndrome, I have BESS ( boat enjoyment satisfaction syndrome ). 
Still cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Fissure Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2013 at 9:24am
Fissure View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 30 Oct 2007
Location: Wellington
Status: Offline
Points: 4351
try giving john butler a ring at butler marine in CHC, i remember he said to me that they market anti-vibration products. worth a call.
Back to Top
Page  12>
Forum Jump
Forum Permissions View Drop Down


This page was generated in 0.227 seconds.

Fishing Reports Visit Reports

Saltwater Fishing Reports
Tauranga Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Tarakihi on the bite Trips are few and far between at this time of year,... Read More >

28 May 2026
Freshwater Fishing Reports
Canterbury Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Fresh and salt turning it on! It is not very often I get to say... Read More >

28 May 2026
Saltwater Fishing Reports
Bay of Islands Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Lures paying dividends We finally had a break in the SE winds that have been... Read More >

28 May 2026
Saltwater Fishing Reports
Manukau/West Coast Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Snapper and gurnard in the harbour The weather has finally taken a turn for the... Read More >

28 May 2026
Fishing bite times Fishing bite times

Major Bites

Minor Bites

Major Bites

Minor Bites