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Hey guys,

i don't want to start any fires around here but having pretty much only used spin all my life i was wondering what the big fuss is with overheads. I'm going to get some money for a custom rod from Synit and i still haven't decided whether to get an overhead or a spinning.

I mostly fish around rocks but i will be getting a kayak soon so i ask you these questions. 

1. Does an overhead reel hold much line? It may sound silly but they're tiny.
2. What benefits do i get other than accuracy with an overhead.
3. Would i be able to fish depths of 30m or more with an overhead? (Generally speaking)

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I would personally stick with spin and to anwer your questions.
 
1. Depends on what reel you get if you got a small baitcaster (i.e.Curado) no it won't fit anymore line than a 3000 sized spinner. But a small overhead like a SL 20 for example would.
2. Overhead does not equal accuracy cos at the end of the day its about how accurate the user is.
3. Yes with overheads you can fish any depth you want same goes for a spinner!
 
Think about it carefully cos it sounds like your gonna spend top shelf $$$ on a great rod and if it were me I know I would be more comfortable with a spinning model. If your gonna spend that much on a rod match it with a good suitable reel too and get the most from it.
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Presumably you weren't too impressed by my hijacking "The Best Softmait Rod" thread for this topic.  Ooops, sorry to all...(not reallyTongue).
 
Summary from a post of mine quite some time ago:
 
Advantages compared with fixed spool: no twisting action on the rod from your arm when winding (and fixed-spool feels awkward to me when winding in comparison), much better line control on the drop and retrieve [and, I add now, in hooking fish which grab your SB on the drop whilst line is still running out].  Casting distance much the same as for my fixed-spool reels.
 
I have 14 SB sets, 7 each of spin and baitcaster set-ups.  I've tried ordinary small O/Hs, but baitcasters are much superior because you cradle the reel with your holding hand (ie don't use the foregrip), and that makes the whole thing much more stable and easy to control.  I wouldn't bother trying to use an ordinary small barrel O/H for softbaiting again.
 
I fish from 1m to 100m with these reels: in the wash; on the drift; from kayak, dinghy, fizzboat and launch.  My "standard" size, as it were, is a Curado 200.  I usually back with mono and just put one of the 100m-150yd braid spools on top - sometimes end up going way into the backing, but I've never been spooled yet.
 
As far as I can see, the main objections are possible overruns and backlash, and lack of distance in casting.  All 3 are addressed (in full, in my opinion) by practice and reel set-up.
 
I seem to do OK.  For kayak fishing SBs around the rocks see report on my Bland Bay expedition on 29 May.
 
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In my opinion if you are picking one over the other then it's spin. Just easier.
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Damn P-jay.. I'd happily written off baitcasters from my life of fishing and now you've bought them back into the equation...  that "stability while winding" does sound nice.......

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yeh i lke what muppet said,  maybe best to stick to what you are happy with,when i 1st started i had a spin and a over head reel i prefered overhead, that was off the rocks casting but im back on the eggbeaters again not really by choice my bro inlaw lost my reel overboard idiot! so i dont lend what gear i have out anymore haha, goodluck  an enjoy ya synit rodThumbs Up
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I've been researching this topic for like nearly a year, I like the idea of baitcasters, I haven't really had much hands on experience with them though, but after reading lots of articles, posts, and all sorts of stuff, the only real advantage I can find to an overhead is the ability to pick up bites on the drop...even then, I've picked up fish on the drop with my spin set, but then I've also flicked the bale arm over to find a fish on the end that I new nothing about!
 
I think if anyone was completely objective, it comes down to personal prefference, or what they're used to, there's no doubt, for example, that a spin set is less prone to tangles, and overall is a much simpler set-up, but then the level of control over your line on a baitcaster is cool!
 
Learning how to control a baitcaster, casting, preventing over runs ETC, is going to take some practice, so the question should be, do you want to spend time learning a whole new way of fishing when you could be spending that time just fishing?
 
There will never be an answer to which is better, just go with what you want to use...learning how to use a baitcaster could be a whole lot of fun, but it could also turn out to be not your cup of tea, in which case, you've bought a expensive rod that is no longer any good to you!
 
Find someone that will lend you a baitcast set, PJ seems to have a few kicking around, he might even give you some tips, being the fan of baitcasters that he is!
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ummm...the question that really needs to be asked (Boulder taught me this one) is why not have both and multiples of?.....Tiger doesn't only have the one club in his trundler afterall.....although I do find myself using OH setups more regularly these days which is most likely because of the depth of water I tend to fish mostly (40+) and the ability to more easily stay in touch with the business end on the drop but even in the shallows say around Rangi in (15-) where casting forward then rumbling the bait along the bottom it's just so much easier to pause and let line out by thumbing the spool or engaging/disengaging the baitcaster mechanism IN MY OPINION!

8 or 9 years ago when this current fascination with softbaiting and the gear that went with it took off there wasn't many options for the kiwi angler.....most of us cut our teeth on eggbeaters like the Shimano Symetre and those landed some hefty fish from the shallows and the benthos.....didn't know any different.

Pretty much the only time I will choose the eggbeater over the OH these days is when casting in to the wind to surface feeding targets like tunas, kingis or kahawai....

Although there is something special about the sound an egg beater makes when a fish is striping line....

OH rigs are also better suited to straylining, livebaiting and or trolling lures need be - so you'll most likely get more use out of such a rig.

horses for course but if I could have only one it would be an OH rig.
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Agree with Kezza. My go to outfit is the baitcaster. More accurate casting esp in around foul, remain in touch with the line on drops, wind and drop repeats easier...etc
Only use eggbeater for lond distance casting ....
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Yeah, Kezza's final sentence does sum it up.
 
If I didn't like spinning reels for softbaiting as well, I wouldn't still have 7 of them.
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Why not just try one and play devils advocate?
Coz if it feels right and good and you are trying to hate on it then the answer seems clear to me.
and if it is a beggar of a thing to get used to then.....
 
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I will ask the question.....can you afford a synit combo and another combo dude?
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Yeah i've got a spin set up already on a tcurve 5 -10kg  ian miller , and thats done me real good and its my go to rod but to be honest i don't really catch fish that are 5 - 10kg regularly so i want to downsize to a 4 - 6kg outfit. 

I'm liking the idea of an overhead setup but i haven't really used them much so i don't have a good grasp on them. I would like something new though and since i already have a spin set up i was thinking why not an overhead. 

My budget is currently $2500
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Shet dude you can afford two synit combo'sLOL You wanted a yak eh too did ya get one?
 
Seriously spend the big money on something you will be comfortable with and spend a bit on a mid ranged overhead set up like a citica combo which won't hurt at around $300 or so if you think that would be good enough.
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Kezza - well summarised and spot on - I concur with all u have said re baitcaster and spin, and mite also add that spin is way handier for casting small or light livies to what ever u r targeting if the livie is your only weight on the line. I peronally also deep jig with OH & spin. Y restrict yourself when u can use the strengths of both types of reels as it suits circumstances
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as far as a 4 - 6kg OH reel....this is the bad boy you're after


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I'm looking for a reel for softbaits aye

But yea, i've always wanted one of those
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ahhhh....yip!....the 10A and 12A are the Rolls Royce of softbaiting OH gear IN MY OPINION! and your budget certainly allows for one.....

I run the 12A and thus far has been awesome and I know Wavedancer Charters runs a full compliment of the 10A....softbaiting, slow jigging, jigging, casting, bait fishing.....they have it covered.
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To get the best out of overheads on a kayak it requires a lot more maintenance especially if your going out thru surf most of the time.
For me its a case of how fast the drift is or how deep, I always go for the lightest jig head possible as I'm normally fishing over foul. For example if shallow I go for the spinning set and if I need a bit more weight I use the OH.
I would use an OH all the time if I could master casting light jig heads out of the yakEmbarrassed
The other thing I like about OH sb sets is they are deadly for stray lining with in the boat, dont tell CJ thoughLOL
 
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  Personally having used spin setups most of my life I would always go spin. I've tried OH and just don't get the same satisfaction and FUN while using them. They are very effective though, but if you are like me and are used to spin setups then you might be disappointed with a "quiet" but effective winch. Also why do all the soft bait "pros" use spin setups most of the time. If you can, have a trial of both before you commit.Wink
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