Overhead vs Spin reels
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Topic: Overhead vs Spin reels
Posted By: Daniel K
Subject: Overhead vs Spin reels
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 12:49am
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Hey guys, i don't want to start any fires around here but having pretty much only used spin all my life i was wondering what the big fuss is with overheads. I'm going to get some money for a custom rod from Synit and i still haven't decided whether to get an overhead or a spinning. I mostly fish around rocks but i will be getting a kayak soon so i ask you these questions. 1. Does an overhead reel hold much line? It may sound silly but they're tiny. 2. What benefits do i get other than accuracy with an overhead. 3. Would i be able to fish depths of 30m or more with an overhead? (Generally speaking) Cheers Dk |
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 6:18am
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I would personally stick with spin and to anwer your questions. 1. Depends on what reel you get if you got a small baitcaster (i.e.Curado) no it won't fit anymore line than a 3000 sized spinner. But a small overhead like a SL 20 for example would. 2. Overhead does not equal accuracy cos at the end of the day its about how accurate the user is. 3. Yes with overheads you can fish any depth you want same goes for a spinner! Think about it carefully cos it sounds like your gonna spend top shelf $$$ on a great rod and if it were me I know I would be more comfortable with a spinning model. If your gonna spend that much on a rod match it with a good suitable reel too and get the most from it.
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 6:37am
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Presumably you weren't too impressed by my hijacking "The Best Softmait Rod" thread for this topic. Ooops, sorry to all...(not really
 ).Summary from a post of mine quite some time ago:
Advantages compared with fixed spool: no twisting action on the rod from your arm when winding (and fixed-spool feels awkward to me when winding in comparison), much better line control on the drop and retrieve [and, I add now, in hooking fish which grab your SB on the drop whilst line is still running out]. Casting distance much the same as for my fixed-spool reels.
I have 14 SB sets, 7 each of spin and baitcaster set-ups. I've tried ordinary small O/Hs, but baitcasters are much superior because you cradle the reel with your holding hand (ie don't use the foregrip), and that makes the whole thing much more stable and easy to control. I wouldn't bother trying to use an ordinary small barrel O/H for softbaiting again.
I fish from 1m to 100m with these reels: in the wash; on the drift; from kayak, dinghy, fizzboat and launch. My "standard" size, as it were, is a Curado 200. I usually back with mono and just put one of the 100m-150yd braid spools on top - sometimes end up going way into the backing, but I've never been spooled yet.
As far as I can see, the main objections are possible overruns and backlash, and lack of distance in casting. All 3 are addressed (in full, in my opinion) by practice and reel set-up.
I seem to do OK. For kayak fishing SBs around the rocks see report on my Bland Bay expedition on 29 May. ------------- PJ |
Posted By: N2Y
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 7:11am
| In my opinion if you are picking one over the other then it's spin. Just easier. |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 10:13am
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Damn P-jay.. I'd happily written off baitcasters from my life of fishing and now you've bought them back into the equation... that "stability while winding" does sound nice....... ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month.  |
Posted By: Nebula
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 10:42am
yeh i lke what muppet said, maybe best to stick to what you are happy with,when i 1st started i had a spin and a over head reel i prefered overhead, that was off the rocks casting but im back on the eggbeaters again not really by choice my bro inlaw lost my reel overboard idiot! so i dont lend what gear i have out anymore haha, goodluck an enjoy ya synit rod ------------- When it's all over, it's not who you were. It's whether you made a difference. - Layzie Bone |
Posted By: BlindFishingNZ
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 11:02am
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I've been researching this topic for like nearly a year, I like the idea of baitcasters, I haven't really had much hands on experience with them though, but after reading lots of articles, posts, and all sorts of stuff, the only real advantage I can find to an overhead is the ability to pick up bites on the drop...even then, I've picked up fish on the drop with my spin set, but then I've also flicked the bale arm over to find a fish on the end that I new nothing about!
I think if anyone was completely objective, it comes down to personal prefference, or what they're used to, there's no doubt, for example, that a spin set is less prone to tangles, and overall is a much simpler set-up, but then the level of control over your line on a baitcaster is cool!
Learning how to control a baitcaster, casting, preventing over runs ETC, is going to take some practice, so the question should be, do you want to spend time learning a whole new way of fishing when you could be spending that time just fishing?
There will never be an answer to which is better, just go with what you want to use...learning how to use a baitcaster could be a whole lot of fun, but it could also turn out to be not your cup of tea, in which case, you've bought a expensive rod that is no longer any good to you!
Find someone that will lend you a baitcast set, PJ seems to have a few kicking around, he might even give you some tips, being the fan of baitcasters that he is!
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 11:28am
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ummm...the question that really needs to be asked (Boulder taught me this one) is why not have both and multiples of?.....Tiger doesn't only have the one club in his trundler afterall.....although I do find myself using OH setups more regularly these days which is most likely because of the depth of water I tend to fish mostly (40+) and the ability to more easily stay in touch with the business end on the drop but even in the shallows say around Rangi in (15-) where casting forward then rumbling the bait along the bottom it's just so much easier to pause and let line out by thumbing the spool or engaging/disengaging the baitcaster mechanism IN MY OPINION! 8 or 9 years ago when this current fascination with softbaiting and the gear that went with it took off there wasn't many options for the kiwi angler.....most of us cut our teeth on eggbeaters like the Shimano Symetre and those landed some hefty fish from the shallows and the benthos.....didn't know any different.
Pretty much the only time I will choose the eggbeater over the OH these days is when casting in to the wind to surface feeding targets like tunas, kingis or kahawai.... Although there is something special about the sound an egg beater makes when a fish is striping line.... OH rigs are also better suited to straylining, livebaiting and or trolling lures need be - so you'll most likely get more use out of such a rig. horses for course but if I could have only one it would be an OH rig.
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Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 12:04pm
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Agree with Kezza. My go to outfit is the baitcaster. More accurate casting esp in around foul, remain in touch with the line on drops, wind and drop repeats easier...etc
Only use eggbeater for lond distance casting .... ------------- Knockers - need I say more..... |
Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 12:25pm
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Yeah, Kezza's final sentence does sum it up.
If I didn't like spinning reels for softbaiting as well, I wouldn't still have 7 of them. ------------- PJ |
Posted By: jaypeegee
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 12:51pm
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Why not just try one and play devils advocate?
Coz if it feels right and good and you are trying to hate on it then the answer seems clear to me.
and if it is a beggar of a thing to get used to then.....
The thing I am enjoying most about fishing, Is the same thing I enjoyed about recording and mixing music.
Just because a combination of equipment is right in one situation doesnt mean that it will transfer and apply to another. even if you want it too.
Also: TAS
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 12:59pm
| I will ask the question.....can you afford a synit combo and another combo dude? |
Posted By: Daniel K
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 1:13pm
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Yeah i've got a spin set up already on a tcurve 5 -10kg ian miller , and thats done me real good and its my go to rod but to be honest i don't really catch fish that are 5 - 10kg regularly so i want to downsize to a 4 - 6kg outfit. I'm liking the idea of an overhead setup but i haven't really used them much so i don't have a good grasp on them. I would like something new though and since i already have a spin set up i was thinking why not an overhead. My budget is currently $2500
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 1:22pm
Shet dude you can afford two synit combo's You wanted a yak eh too did ya get one?Seriously spend the big money on something you will be comfortable with and spend a bit on a mid ranged overhead set up like a citica combo which won't hurt at around $300 or so if you think that would be good enough.
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Posted By: awawa
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 1:43pm
| Kezza - well summarised and spot on - I concur with all u have said re baitcaster and spin, and mite also add that spin is way handier for casting small or light livies to what ever u r targeting if the livie is your only weight on the line. I peronally also deep jig with OH & spin. Y restrict yourself when u can use the strengths of both types of reels as it suits circumstances |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 1:46pm
as far as a 4 - 6kg OH reel....this is the bad boy you're after Shimano Trinidad 10a
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Posted By: Daniel K
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 2:22pm
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I'm looking for a reel for softbaits aye But yea, i've always wanted one of those
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 2:35pm
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ahhhh....yip!....the 10A and 12A are the Rolls Royce of softbaiting OH gear IN MY OPINION! and your budget certainly allows for one..... I run the 12A and thus far has been awesome and I know Wavedancer Charters runs a full compliment of the 10A....softbaiting, slow jigging, jigging, casting, bait fishing.....they have it covered. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Nagged
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 7:49pm
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To get the best out of overheads on a kayak it requires a lot more maintenance especially if your going out thru surf most of the time.
For me its a case of how fast the drift is or how deep, I always go for the lightest jig head possible as I'm normally fishing over foul. For example if shallow I go for the spinning set and if I need a bit more weight I use the OH.
I would use an OH all the time if I could master casting light jig heads out of the yak
 The other thing I like about OH sb sets is they are deadly for stray lining with in the boat, dont tell CJ though
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Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 12:25am
Personally having used spin setups most of my life I would always go spin. I've tried OH and just don't get the same satisfaction and FUN while using them. They are very effective though, but if you are like me and are used to spin setups then you might be disappointed with a "quiet" but effective winch. Also why do all the soft bait "pros" use spin setups most of the time. If you can, have a trial of both before you commit. ------------- Remember it's not the number of breaths you take that is important in life, but rather the number of times that life takes your breath away. |
Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 6:30am
Well, if Mike Rendle is a representative "pro", it's because (as stated in his book and various magazine articles) he thinks anyone will get overruns and/or backlashes a lot of the time and lose fish and waste time unpicking tangles.
Unfortunately for that way of thinking, it just ain't so. ------------- PJ |
tightlines2 wrote:Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 7:43am
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Posted By: BigTackle
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 9:30am
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Tightlines,
If you are fishing from a Yak then go for a spin reel. Chances are you will be fishing more wash and shallow water, for this situation one would presume you are only using ultra light jigheads in your softies to slow the drop through the water column and allow more "hang time" of your bait in front of the fishes nose. HWS (hidden weight systems) can only be cast with ease using Spinners.
On another topic, have you guys tried skipping baits into wash zones and against the bricks? For this technique I prefer spin gear.....
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 9:31am
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Sorry, tightlines2 - I thought I'd made it clear that half of my own SB reels are spin reels.
I wouldn't know about the engineering, but I am reminded of the description of BMW motorcycles from the 1950s, 60s, and 70s (I owned an R75/5 for 21 years, so appreciate this): "a triumph of engineering over design".
Possibly the nearest Australian equivalent to our fishing is chasing big barra with SBs in FNQ and the Territory. My brother and his mates do that quite a lot , and noted recently that the majority of guides they've seen there use baitcasters for this. "Pro" enough for me. (And on the ET fishing show on Sky a couple of weeks ago, the same.)
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 9:35am
Exactly my kayak fishing using baitcasters almost all the time...1/2 oz, no more, 5" jerkshads, sometimes entirely unweighted; the spin reels are markedly easier casting at wash into a hard wind, though, because the line's only being pulled off the spool by the gear going out, not also being pushed by a spinning spool as well.
Spinning reels are a lot simpler to cast with than O/Hs, we all know that. But to me, this isn't the end of the story, only the start.
FWIW, my rock and kayak fishing for years before I started softbaiting was with Slosh30s and a Slosh 50 on 7' rods casting unweighted baits tied direct to the mainline. Loved my 6500B and 3500B, but found better control with the overheads and no detrimental loss of casting distance. Landed more and better fish.
This is just reporting my own experience, no more. I'm not saying my style of fishing - or any of my styles - is better than anyone else's. But someone like me might use aspects of it to improve their own fun and success, as I have. ------------- PJ |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 7:24am
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P-jay most of what you write about baitcasters I find pretty interesting.. I've been a softbait spin guy since they came out and am mad keen to try baitcasters now (have to wait till summer)...thanks for your input on this topic, its what this site is all about. ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 7:40am
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Do it Plow....you're a big boy now...the training wheels come off ;) ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 7:59am
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You do need both I reckon spin and o/h can have very different actions on the lure and applications/fishing situations. I'd come out in a rash if I didn't take both out on a typical softbaiting day. |
Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:05am
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Overhead/Baitcasters by far boys, just so much more controll throughout the whole cast and retreive process. We're fishing them from 2m out and it's all good. Took some real newbies to Motiti on Thursday and they really struggled to work out where the bottom was on the spin sets and that whole just let the baiit flop to the bottom was not working for them, put them on a couple of over heads and with a little practice had them castiong and doing a bit of a strayline action to the bottom feeling it all the way and the killed it. Once ya get the overheads sorted there is just no going back. I possibly think rod lenght is the key. In the BOP wer seem to do a lot of prospecting for fish so your casting around a bit, I've working with a 7ft 2 stick and the cast controll is way better than a short unit. It just a much nicer way to catch a fish. ------------- ther ain't nothin' in the world a t-bone shuffle wont cure. |
Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:47am
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I disagree, as usual, I find OH no fun at all in catching fish while softbaiting. I don't doubt that they are hugely effective, I just don't like using them. Catching fish on them just isn't as much FUN IMO . Anyone sick of their spin gear and want to sell some quality rods and reels just PM me ------------- Remember it's not the number of breaths you take that is important in life, but rather the number of times that life takes your breath away. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:14am
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Haha....perhaps you should actually try one and comment from experience Greg? by saying you get 'no fun at all' certainly suggests you've never used an overhead or at least a balanced system designed with lure fishing in mind.... Ps...who are these pros you speak of? Which companies are sponsored by? Pss....agree with Espresso - both!? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:19am
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I like reels And rods......... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:31am
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Way I see it is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' If you are comfortable using a spin set up - and you catch plenty of fish under all conditions - why change? The same goes for those who prefer using OH setups... My 2 cents anyway...
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Posted By: BlindFishingNZ
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:32am
My thoughts exactly!
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:33am
Definitely agree horses for courses mainly spin for under30m and mainly OH for deeper and workup action ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: PDSquid
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:45am
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i dont know bouldie, getting that bail arm over in those work ups is fun fun fun too i like both |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:55am
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Fo sho Squid....i still got 2 mint as 2500 Symetres....will bust them out for old times sakes.....those puppies howl like a banshee. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:07am
| I don't own an OH soft baiting set but have used them. They would be my choice for deeper water or workups. In rougher conditions or poor light, casting into the wind with light lures a spin is the way to go especially if you have sloppy hillbilly skills like me. For me there is definately a need to have both. |
Posted By: Blue Legend
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:11am
| Maybe i need to try a spin, they just feel all unbalanced for me as i've only ever fished with the reel on top of the rod. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:14am
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Borrow one of mine next time Rich.....cool way to catch fish but warn the bank manager in advance....:) ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blue Legend
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:34am
I am the bank manager Off to the barrier next week if the weather plays ball, may have to take you up on that offer 
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Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 1:43pm
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Another excellent feature of the small OH baitcasters is that there is no lever to freespool and strike. Makes adjusting and tweeking your bait easier. You hold the setup in your left hand with your thumb controlling freespool, your right hand on the handle ready to strike. You are constantly in contact with your bait and there's no switching your hands from rod to reel and back etc. ------------- Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money. |
Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 2:54pm
I have tried them, in fact I purchased an expensive top of the line shimano setup for a deepwater setup (Calcutta 400TE and for a T-curve tournament) and persisted with it on a number of trips. It caught fish alright, but the experience was very sterile compared to fun of using a spin reel in workups and flicking the bail over as the baits are hit on the drop. As a consequence it doesn't get even taken out these days  . I have used smaller bait casters and I'm prepared to actually buy one to put it on a shimano backbone I have that is looking for a reel, when I can work out what to get. ( Heard some good and bad stories about some of the reels on the market ). I really love the look of those 10A's and have just sold a powerflex rod for mate to use with one, so I'm hoping I might get a chance to play with that too. All the pros are sponsored , but Mark Phillips etc even though they are sponsored, still choose to use spin when they are fishing for fun. (and not always their sponsored brand) I will give it another go, but I just have too much fun with the spin gear. For all my spin fishing and workup fishing I now hold the rod with the right hand and control the line, bail arm and handle with the left hand, and I seem to be able to get my share of the fish on the drop. PS. I would love to do a trip with PJ though, as he has obviously got it all mastered. ------------- Remember it's not the number of breaths you take that is important in life, but rather the number of times that life takes your breath away. |
Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 3:10pm
Fair enough mate each to their own and if it works for you good stuff.... but when I'm on the bottom and letting a bit of line out then I find nothing is less complicated than a little overhead baitcaster. A simple twitch of the thumb (which is already on the spool) to disengage the clutch and a simple flick of the wrist on right hand and it's engaged again. No need to get your hands in the way or do any switching and you are constantly in touch as the line is never slack (at the very most a split second). Even with the OH likes the Trini, you need to move your hand from the rod foregrip to engage and disengage the clutch - no biggy I know but anyway was jkust trying to point out another plus for the baitcasters
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Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 9:13am
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Any recommendations for a good value baitcaster then? ------------- Remember it's not the number of breaths you take that is important in life, but rather the number of times that life takes your breath away. |
Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 10:02am
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Okuma Citrx, look very nice and seems like its the goods, one one the way to Uncle so hope to get a turn on it. its on there site ------------- ther ain't nothin' in the world a t-bone shuffle wont cure. |
Posted By: "Scooter"
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:36am
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Do you know where I can get a look at one of these reels or who stocks them ? Please PM me if posting these sorts of details is not the done thing. Cheers,John.
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Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:47am
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170621285119&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:1123 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170621285119&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:1123 Hi John Uncle got his from the states as I do not think they are in NZ yet. We are supposed to be getting one to trial but it hasn't showed up yet. Should be about $140 NZD from this sitte including freight and that seems to be a bit cheaper that what I understand they might go for here. Cheers Phil ------------- ther ain't nothin' in the world a t-bone shuffle wont cure. |
Posted By: "Scooter"
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:56am
Ok mate,,I'll just keep an eye out for when they get here in numbers,,or your report on the test one Cheers,John.
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Posted By: Kurt051
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 10:51pm
I use a Shimano Caenan on a mexican fire rod and find it awesome.
Not too expensive for the features. I wasnt sure about OH so i brought this with the intention I could easily sell it if I didnt like it. I know think im hooked on OH.
Just have both, Ci4 Stradic in one hand, Caenan in the other
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:01pm
I don't do alot of this fishing but have both, and both at the ready, I do like the spin for the accuracy when wash fishing and my bantam50 is the ducks in the deeper water, also have a saltilist set with 4lb braid on it for playing sill buggers, have got great fish on both set ups, one other thing and like I say am no expert on this but when I want an instant drop into deepish water the spin set wins hands down. Some great comments here for a novice like me thanks chaps.  ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:40am
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In the early days of softbaiting the method was to cast, twitch and retrive, then repeat. Maybe just being lazy but I evolved esp while on the drift to cast, twitch, retrive partially, freespool back down etc ...thus baitcasters with thumb control suit this method better IMHO. ------------- Knockers - need I say more..... |
Posted By: Alitowers
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 5:17pm
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adding my two cents worth, bought a curado form ebay, paid 130 american for a 200e7 boys at yeehaa spooled it full of braid for me, running a lucanus backbone rod, bought form yeehaa. the balance of this setup is amazing, yeah first couple of casts can be fun but with the cast control and a quick read of the instructions you should be sweet, the very occasional wind nest but this can be more to do with the braid being too stiff than the fisher. the advantage of being all in the palm of your hand is great |
Posted By: Te Namu
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 8:45pm
Hope you're not talking about the Patumahoe leprechaun
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Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 11:44pm
Nah... he's not as good as I make out.............he's probably better ------------- Remember it's not the number of breaths you take that is important in life, but rather the number of times that life takes your breath away. |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 6:22am
| curado 200 - great little set up |
Posted By: M@CC@
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:14pm
| Interested to know what the best overhead reel for soft baiting would be if price wasn't an issue?? |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:26pm
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I have not put much thought into that, they all seem pretty delicate to me and as much as I like the look of them I think quality spinners are way tougher. But if I were to pick one I'd go for a Quantum true saltwater baitcaster an Energy or Catalyst PTS but in left hand wind for me if I ever did go for one. But I will stick to spin.
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Posted By: Blue Legend
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:42pm
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 3:23pm
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 3:32pm
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I had a wee fiddle with the 10A I liked it , a mean bit of kit only thing I found was that my fat fingers were not able to jam down on the spool like I like in those times when a little ' finesse' is needed (read blunt force trauma) .
no such problems with the 12A though
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Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 8:54pm
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Exactly the point why purpose built reels exist for tossing out softbaits and light lures......the Trinidad 10A does not have level wind, thumb switch or ability for most to thumb the spool. Reading all of the overseas reports it sounds more suited to livebaiting/jigging for small to mid size gamefish...like kingfish. It also has the drag suited better to that type of fishing. For purpose built, the bait casters from the same stable like Curado, Citica etc are better suited IMHO. ------------- Knockers - need I say more..... |
Posted By: Royze
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 3:55am
 x3, or the 12A for the bigger thumbs,
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 10:40am
As for overhead vs spin.... It really is personal preference and you really have to think about the type of fishing your going to be doing most often. I probally prefur fishing with my curado 300e buts thats because we are usually always drifting in 30+ meters of water but also really enjoy using my spinning out fit (Daiwa tierra 3500)..... Catch much bigger fish on this one for some reason, its my lucky rod. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 10:56am
| New Curado does look interesting page 88 http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/customer_service0/catalogs.download.-mainParsys-000107-downloadFile.html/Shimano2011Catalog.pdf - CU50E/ CU51E |
Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 7:30am
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 8:00am
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I guess those crazy mixed up kids on Wavedancer Charters that fish exclusively softbaits and lures for snapper in most environments should take back their full compliment of 10As because they obviously don't work....think about the amount of punishment their reels go through...I really do not think a BC type reel would be up to it. level wind = another thing to go wrong - had one crap out in the heat of the moment with lots of line out...far from ideal. thumb switch = another thing to go wrong - had one stay engaged on the drop, got bit, could not thumb the spool, cut hands, lost fish... thumb on spool = ummm...try turning that dial on the side clockwise....bingo! Keep reading all those overseas forums Skidder.....you'll end up with the best freshwater Largemouth Bass reel that money can buy.... .....and yes I've owned several baitcasters back when all the cool gang had 'em.horses for courses but the 10 or 12A suggestion was just my opinion and answering the question from my perspective.
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 8:11am
| Kezza, what about the new big Curado'looks the part. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 8:13am
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haven't seen them Dan.....what is new about them? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 8:15am
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300EJ model much bigger and badder looking with a better handle for cranking. http://wslaurie.co.nz/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=3507 - http://wslaurie.co.nz/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=3507
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Posted By: SpidersWeb
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 10:29am
| I never really felt the need for overhead, until last weekend in heavy winds I lifted the bail arm and my line spewed out, can be annoying and on one occassion got so bad I ended up resorting to scissors. Just one more excuse *cough* reason to try a new setup :) |
Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 1:03pm
This thread was about using OH vs Spin reels for softbait fishing...the pros and cons. For commercial charters I would also use the least complex reel with good drag to cover a range of fishing charter situations....and believe for Wavedancer the 10A sounds like the right choice.
But for individual fisho's who want to have a reel for each fishing situation (TAS) then I still say a baitcaster is well suited for softbait fishing if you get the right one....sounds like Kezza you had the wrong ones.
 As winter bites the use of a good casting reel in close to the wash becomes necessary so having a targeted reel and rod that can put your softbait exactly where you want it to land is hugely important I would think. These overseas forums do help identfy the pluses and minuses and doesnt take a rocket scientist to apply the learnings to NZ circumstances, so I'll keep reading from the experts in the absence of NZ test reports.
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Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 1:19pm
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Kezza, not saying the Trini wouldn't be up to the job. Geez mate, if I had some spare cash I'd definately have one in my arsenal. I just love using BC's. Maybe it's just the way I fish with softies. I can't be catching enough fish though cause none of those things have gone wrong with my Citica. Mind you, I only use it on a jestski and from the bricks rather than a Rayglass 2800 so I guess it doesn't get enough of a hiding
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Posted By: PDSquid
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 5:42pm
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yep those 10A's are flash. if you want something cheap and will last forever daiwa shv20 |