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    Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 7:54pm
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So what connection are you guys using on your poppers/stick baits....

I have been using the AG chain knot....After seeing how Kenji rigs his own.

Any preferences here, crimps, knots, thimbles, armour etc... Post up a photo of your rigging for all to have a squiz.

I am looking for a reliable connection for light leaders also 50lb say...
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hey Sam, the double AG chain knot is very strong, the only down side of this knot is that it sucks up lots of leader, my go to knots are the double Ryo-Shi and the Fantastic knot, they use little leader and are very strong.

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Cant say i have seen Konishi San use that knot when he has been out on the water and i have spent a fair amount of time with him.
One thing he does do is connect a Gamma straight to the lure and a blue fish he often uses a swivel and split ring set up.
Myself i always use a knot straight to the swivel and mainly use a uni knot same as kaveman. I think it is best to retie every time you chnage lure, on the days when we have caught huge numbers of fish i have busted a few off on the leader and it is mainly when people use a split ring to change the lures. I feel the line and knots get stretched and fatigue sets in causing perfectly good knots to fail when they normally would hold.
 
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Originally posted by unlimited unlimited wrote:

hey Sam, the double AG chain knot is very strong, the only down side of this knot is that it sucks up lots of leader, my go to knots are the double Ryo-Shi and the Fantastic knot, they use little leader and are very strong.


Thanks, both are new knots to me so will give them a go...so true about the AG sucking up leader, its a great knot tho.
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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

uni knot- all you need

KM, I will try everything else under the sun first and then come back to the UNI... The KISS principle is always the best.
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Originally posted by ginga ginga wrote:

Cant say i have seen Konishi San use that knot when he has been out on the water and i have spent a fair amount of time with him.
One thing he does do is connect a Gamma straight to the lure and a blue fish he often uses a swivel and split ring set up.
Myself i always use a knot straight to the swivel and mainly use a uni knot same as kaveman. I think it is best to retie every time you chnage lure, on the days when we have caught huge numbers of fish i have busted a few off on the leader and it is mainly when people use a split ring to change the lures. I feel the line and knots get stretched and fatigue sets in causing perfectly good knots to fail when they normally would hold.
 

I have felt the pain all too much lately fishing the split ring change out method...Hence the thread LOL

Konishi San tied that knot at YEEHAA, he explained it helped to "tame" the lures action...He may have been implying it would make it easier to fish for Joe Blogs (me).

So if you were fishing a Gamma you would have - lure, split ring, swivel, leader?


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I tried the AG chain knot with the cherry pie the other day and it made it a mission to swim. Starting to prefer the swivel and grommet, split ring connection.

Sam are you using leader protection when tying direct to the lure? Like knot sleeve or plastic tubing?


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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

So what connection are you guys using on your poppers/stick baits....

I have been using the AG chain knot....After seeing how Kenji rigs his own.

Any preferences here, crimps, knots, thimbles, armour etc... Post up a photo of your rigging for all to have a squiz.

I am looking for a reliable connection for light leaders also 50lb say...
Been using a swivel and heavy duty split ring like some of the overseas guys, I know this add another point in the link that could break but if a quality heavy duty swivel is used then no issue. It also makes for fast lure changes
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Originally posted by marx marx wrote:

I tried the AG chain knot with the cherry pie the other day and it made it a mission to swim. Starting to prefer the swivel and grommet, split ring connection.

Sam are you using leader protection when tying direct to the lure? Like knot sleeve or plastic tubing?



I could see how a fixed knot at the tow piont eye would effect the lure, the lure would have to "swim the leader"...

No I haven't been but will be, I have some hollow dacron somewhere so will try it out. I think ginga has the right approach, proven knot and re-tie...


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Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:


Originally posted by ginga ginga wrote:

Cant say i have seen Konishi San use that knot when he has been out on the water and i have spent a fair amount of time with him.
One thing he does do is connect a Gamma straight to the lure and a blue fish he often uses a swivel and split ring set up.
Myself i always use a knot straight to the swivel and mainly use a uni knot same as kaveman. I think it is best to retie every time you chnage lure, on the days when we have caught huge numbers of fish i have busted a few off on the leader and it is mainly when people use a split ring to change the lures. I feel the line and knots get stretched and fatigue sets in causing perfectly good knots to fail when they normally would hold.
 

I have felt the pain all too much lately fishing the split ring change out method...Hence the thread LOL

Konishi San tied that knot at YEEHAA, he explained it helped to "tame" the lures action...He may have been implying it would make it easier to fish for Joe Blogs (me).

So if you were fishing a Gamma you would have - lure, split ring, swivel, leader?


When i fishing the Gamma i simply tie straight to the lure.
 
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I also use a uni knot on all my lures, haven't busted one off on the knot so far and caught some very respectable fish on it but re-tie it quite often.
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If i was going to tie direct to the lure,i would use plastic tubing and then crimp.You could fish that all day long if you wanted.
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split Ring - swivel - uni knot..easy
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Originally posted by kIWir kIWir wrote:

split Ring - swivel - uni knot..easy


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no leader protection to the stickbait or popper????
I had so much pressure on a fish yesterday I reckon I would have busted straight through any knot had I not had my connection protected .........
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Originally posted by Tongan Terror Tongan Terror wrote:

no leader protection to the stickbait or popper????
I had so much pressure on a fish yesterday I reckon I would have busted straight through any knot had I not had my connection protected .........

So what are you using to protect the connection and how do you use it? 
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Thimble to crimp although im not using these lures that need to be tied on as some of the more seasoned stickbait fisherman are so I cant comment on the swimming action but with the poppers Im using the action is fine 
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split ring,solid ring,thimble,crimp or uni  knot
split ring,solid ring,plastic tubing,crimp.
some options to try.Both allow you to change stick baits.Give it a goWink
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Who thinks swivels are necessary?
I have found myself going around in a circle for no reason really,I havent had bust offs at this connection wether it has been tied or crimped,protected or not.
Strarted out with: leader - thimble - swivel - split ring then have since done tied direct to lure,tied to swivel and on the weekend was leader - thimble - solid ring - split ring.
 
I think if you tie direct in leaders 120lb or less that you should loop through the lure eye or swivel twice.I know Stella Jagger has had one slice through tied direct,I think some lures get a burr on the eye somehow?
Im using 100lb supple at the momment and have not had any problems with the bottom or conections.
 
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