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What weights (if any) should I be using when fishing off the rocks/ beach?

I mentioned something in another post and a member told me the the weight (4oz) I was using was "ridiculous." Now I'm wondering if I've got this whole fishing thing wrong. 

I'd always been under the impression that you need enough weight to stop your bait from being washed back up into the rocks and kelp. I have never had any luck straylining but I'm wondering if I am doing it wrong?

Do you guys use weights when fishing off the rocks? If so, what size is average or adequate for you?

Should I be straylining more and using different rigs? 

All advice is much appreciated as I would dearly like to improve my catch rate. 

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Dont usually use weights when I am fishing off the rocks but if I need to due to current or crazy depth then I will. Only usually 1/4 to 1oz.
 
If straylining the key is to stay in touch with your bait but also give it enough time to sink down in to the depths. Feed line out as it drops down. Same for if its getting washed back in to you. Retrieve some of the slack so you are constantly in touch with the bait.
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I strayline with no sinkers about 75% of the time, if i do need some weight ill use some small 1/2oz to 1 oz ball sinkers in a running rig. Seems to do the trick but thats mainly off the rocks in kelpy/snaggy places.

Dont fish of the beach to much but normally use a 3/4oz breakaway sinker or similar if theres a strong current also in a running rig and seems to work for me, but only if its landing on sand.

Fish your feet first, no need to cast ages off the rocks i find, and change of light really helps.


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no sinkers most of the time, same as above though. if i am using a sinker just a running ball sinker no bigger than 3/4-1 ounce above the second running hook
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What is the reason for no weights? 

I can understand that it moves more naturally with the current, but are you using larger baits in order to make sure they sink to the bottom? What do you do if you need to hit a deeper patch of water a bit further out?

I'm very curious now as this is a whole new type of fishing that I haven't really explored. 
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Whole squid/pilchard on 7/0+ size hooks mate.


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The main objective of unweighted baits is to get the fish looking up and coming up the water column to intercept the bait. A heavy sinker just makes it drop fast down staright past them.
 
When the fish are feeding it does not take them long to come in and compete for a potential meal and a floating bait just gives it more hang time for the fish to fight over.
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Floating baits look a lot more natural too
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aslo  less snags, sinkers seem to find all the nooks and crannys to get stuck in i find without them alot less gear gets lost.
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Like what I told you yesterday Oriel, no extra crud no swivel or anything super simple and effective
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What sort of rod are you using from the rocks mate and what size baits?...the only reason i ask is you mentioned about getting your bait out a little further.

You should be able to throw a whole pilchard or even half a good distance without any weight although i sometimes add a little weight if casting into a headwind.

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I'm using an inexpensive Penn 12ft surfcasting rod. It's got quite a lot of bend to it, but probably not enough to severely limit my casting distance. I just need to practice more.

For bait I'll often use 1/2 pilchard or whole squid, and sometimes i'll stuff the 1/2 pillie into a baby squid as it keeps the whole lot on the hook a bit longer. 

Straylining certainly sounds more appealing than lugging a box full of lead weights up and down the coast on a blazingly hot day, only to lose half of them to snags and weeds.
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If you go to a rocky marine reserve and snorkel about in 5m or less of water you find that the fish we target (snapper, trevs, ky, kings) are swimming about in the upper 2/3 of the water, not the lower 1/3 which is where a sinker would take your bait to.

Surf casting on an open sandy beach is an entirely different kettle of fish.
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I have a little experience with rock fishing - and I agree with the general advice, use no weight or very little, for reasons given before.
But, I often have trouble with the bait being washed back in towards the rocks - by the action of waves. I would like some way of overcoming this. I intend trying a balloon - if the wind is offshore, it should push the bait out. Wont work if wind is onshore though.
Anyone got any pearls of wisdom on this.
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

I have a little experience with rock fishing - and I agree with the general advice, use no weight or very little, for reasons given before.
But, I often have trouble with the bait being washed back in towards the rocks - by the action of waves. I would like some way of overcoming this. I intend trying a balloon - if the wind is offshore, it should push the bait out. Wont work if wind is onshore though.
Anyone got any pearls of wisdom on this.


A lil trick I use is a bubble float filled with water float fishing snapper is pretty damn cool
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bubble float? explain KOF
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Nil weight, no swivel, just a back to back uni knot if using trace but more often than not dont use trace, just 6kg main line.  As the guys have stated its all about keeping in touch with your bait, let it slowly sink down then wind in the slack and repeat.  7/0 - 9/0 circle hooks with no offset are the hook I use, and a 5ft and a smidge rod.  unless your fishing really foul are 12 is a bit of overkill if you ask me.
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Heaps of opinion on rod length aye Seth.

I either fish a 12 or 14ft surfcaster off the bricks for the extra leverage when the fish is on Wink 
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Yeah bro, its one of those many variable that everyone has an opinion on.  I fish 5 - 8ft off the bricks, but the 5fter is my go to staylining rig.
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Over many years and after listening to and watching many experts, I've gravitated to fishing a single hook tied direct to main line for snapper off the rocks.  I catch more and bigger with this gear than with any other.
 
Kingfish - yep, tie a heavier trace on.  But no swivel, even then, nor sinker.
 
Selection of territory has a lot to do with it, too.  The ground I fish landbased does not have current going sideways past at 5kt, and I make a habit of fishing direct into deep guts or off the ends of points.
 
I use a 7ft rod and either SL30 or SL50 overhead, or same length and BTR6500 or 3500.  I'm not going to a longer rod to give fish more leverage, though my son often uses a 10ft rod but otherwise the same gear and set-up.  His theory is that he gets a longer reach out past sharp rocks when landing fish, but it's his only reason (and he's turning in his opinion a bit now...)
 
So I only fish my feet, and burley up large.
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