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    Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 12:14pm
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Hi All
 
Am thinking of investing in a Stella and not sure what size to get, 14 or 18.
 
Will be solely used for top water, I have other jig outfits and prefer overheads for that work.
 
in terms of the Stella's application will be used for stick baiting in NZ for Kings. And once every 12-18 months (all going well) a week or so trip to the islands chasing GTs and various other bristling creatures on surface lures, especially poppers.
 
For NZ work I'd look at 80lb braid (I just get confused by the various PE ratings systems) and a minimum of 80lb up to 100lb for the tropics.
 
I've used both reels before (good mates) and can see the benefits of each. The 14 is obviously lighter (nearly 200grams) whilst the 18 affords more capacity, especially for the heavier braid.
 
Any suggestions/comments? As much as I'd like to I can't afford both.
 
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An 8k with 200m of PE6 Varivas for NZ, and a spare 16k spool with PE8 for the islands. Done!
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Why you need 100lb  for the islands?  80lb is more than enough. I fish the last 6 years with 65lb Tasline on the islands.
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Then you have the 2008 model sw 10,000 or sw 18,000 to consider........I prefer the older model to the swb......
A)you could go sw 10,000 with pe6 and 130 pound leader for kings
jigging master 16000 spool with pe8 and 170 pound leader for Gt's and you have the lighter reel with 20kg of drag.......Probably the best stella ever made.
B)The sw 18000...is much heavier but can take the 20,000 spool as well...plenty of capacity  on both spools....
Id go A ....if you can find a JM 16000 spool(just be careful.....they have **** loads of drag.....more than you can handle ! )
Tasline is good stuff.Wink
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if you are patient there will be a new model of stella released very soon. 
I personally prefer the 08 model to the 13  for all sizes, recommend you to get the 8000 or 10000 not the 14000 and the 18000 for heavier set ups. Spare spools are always good to have, ill stay away from the JM spools and go with yumeya, Som or nature boys. 
It will be good to match the reels to the rods you will use so you can cast all day and have a good balance rod and reel.

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I am guessing the new range will be G free bodies?
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Miss information central right here... LOL

Forget this 08' Stella is better than the 13'Stella SW nonsense, because that's exactly what it is, nonsense.
Also a 8000,10000 & 14000 are the same body size and pretty much the same in the weight department. The 14k SW though has more capacity and a better rate of retrieve for topwater fishing.


Go the 13' Stella SW 14k if you're wanting to run PE5-8, the 18k for PE8-12.
Advantage 18k -
Slightly lower gear ratio which gives more cranking power while still having a high rate of line retrieve due to it's larger spool.
Line capacity if wanting to run above PE8 or target large tuna using PE6-10 (250mtrs imo is plenty for GT's and kings).

Advantage 14k -
Lighter weight, a massive plus if fishing it all day.
Still more drag than you can shake a stick at as is the case with the 18k.

Besides large tuna where line capacity in deep water can be an issue, 99.9% of the time if you can't stop a GT or Kingfish with a 14k there's not a whole lot more good an 18k is going to do.

Use good quality line what ever you do, decent PE5-6 that breaks at 70-80lbs+, or PE8-10 that breaks at 100lbs+ if you want to go heavy on the 18k. Have funThumbs Up






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Fishy11 : 

No one say better or not its just a preference and its due to high use of both models in different conditions(btw i have both 08 and 13 in various models and stand behind my words as 13 models dont like places with high salt content and humidity...Nz is not one of them) . this is true that the body size of the stella 8-14k models are same but stopping power is different and i never needed over 250m line for top water unless targeting Tuna species and one more issue with the 14k is the spool knocking the bail arm under heavy load.

What its come down to is also the rod you pair the reel and line with, fishing grounds and angler experience... in my opinion.
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I am not sure but its been one of the changes in the lighter range on the 13 models
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You obviously though wouldn't choose a reel you thought was inferior would you??? as you just said you think the 08's are better corrosion wise....Ermm Not trying to have a go to be clear, but trying to understand why  one would say OP should buy one or the other if they didin't think it was better...

I've also fished both, and fished with plenty of guys around the world who fish both. With either one if they are maintained you shouldn't have an issue with corrosion, wipe with warm water and tackle guard them or similar after use, none of my reels are corroded and they get plenty of use both here and overseas in humid climates.

I just honestly don't know why in 2017, almost 2018 one would buy a second hand reel that is almost 10 years old, and have to buy larger aftermarket spools to match or better the line capacity and get close to the retrieve rate of a stock 13'SW14000XG.
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Originally posted by Tsuri Tamashi Tsuri Tamashi wrote:

Fishy11 : 

and one more issue with the 14k is the spool knocking the bail arm under heavy load.



Really???because i've never had the issue and i've been using 14k's a while now along with other sizes. Also never heard of it from guys i've fished with, a number of whom sell this type of tackle for a living too.
Looking at basic physics most of the load on the bail arm and line roller is pulling forward and not inwards so really don't know where you got that from.
and what were the other supposed 'issues'? because you never listed any and just repeated/agreed? with what i said previously about reel body size, line capacity etc


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End of the day David, go with what you think will suit you best based on the facts and what you will be doing with it the majority of the time you use it.
Have you got a rod in mind you are going to run it on? and decided what size lures you are going to be using? That may influence your decision a bit more as well.

Not to gloat or anything like that but more than happy to PM you a link to photos/ vids of fish myself and friends both here and overseas have caught on trips so you can get an idea of what various setups are actually capable of. Thumbs Up



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Hey fishy, what Stellas do you own and fish at the moment? Got any pics?
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At the moment 13'SW 14k & 10k + a few other Shimano & Daiwa reels.
In the past have fished 08' 10k,20k & 13' SW 20k,18k,8k, 6k.

Pics of what, reels? or do you mean fish etc?
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Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

At the moment 13'SW 14k & 10k + a few other Shimano & Daiwa reels.
In the past have fished 08' 10k,20k & 13' SW 20k,18k,8k, 6k.

Pics of what, reels? or do you mean fish etc?


I was curious about your setups bro
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Hmm, ok
What were you wanting pics of? lol
Like was that intended as a 'prove it' type comment or something?Wink
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The fact is....that the 2008 line up have a lot of loyal fans who prefer it to the SWB newer model....Alan Hawk (GOD)......for one.....who found issues with the new model....Parts are still well stocked for the 2008 model and it remains the best stella to date.
         I have the 5000/6000/8000/10000/18000......2008 models.......I wont be buying any SWB.......they are ****ing ugly as wellLOL
Have a read of Alan Hawk"s review of the 2008 stella and then the new model swb........he knows his ****.......its pretty heavy reading......skip to the conclusion if you want it spelt out easy.Wink

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Buy a 10 000 Twin Power and get another spool for less than a $1000. Can even fill up 1 spool for that money.
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Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

The fact is....that the 2008 line up have a lot of loyal fans who prefer it to the SWB newer model....Alan Hawk (GOD)......for one.....who found issues with the new model....Parts are still well stocked for the 2008 model and it remains the best stella to date.
         I have the 5000/6000/8000/10000/18000......2008 models.......I wont be buying any SWB.......they are ****ing ugly as wellLOL
Have a read of Alan Hawk"s review of the 2008 stella and then the new model swb........he knows his ****.......its pretty heavy reading......skip to the conclusion if you want it spelt out easy.Wink

http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/reviews.html


That's nice, good for you. I never said the 08's aren't a good reel, they are. You're the one bagging on something based on subjective b.s and not facts though.
"he found issues", really care to enlighten everyone else or are you just content with spreading more hearsay and not actually posting anything of substance.
I've read a number of Alans reviews / breakdowns including both of the ones you mentioned. He does know his stuff, well most of the time, this is the same guy though who once said something along the lines of that the twin power is just a fancy saragosa with it's gearing etc being pretty much the same - which is completely false, the twin power shares more in common with the current model stella in regards to it's gearing setup etc than the saragosa. Not saying he doesn't make some very valid points in some of his reviews but i take those types of comments with a grain of salt.


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