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Can anyone recommend a good knife sharpener? I have one of those "Kleva Sharp" sharpeners, but not willing to run a quality blade through it as it seems to be a bit aggressive. Or should I just learn how to use a steel properly?
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There are a couple of sharpening systems around. Expensive but they do a good job. Scary Sharp looks like the better one and I can't recall the other one. It's a little flimsy looking but they work well - be great if I could remember it though
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Hey kitno i am a butcher and sharpen knives for people, the first question is what do you use it for? The kleva sharp prob great for bait knives etc but if you want a razor use slow wet wheel for starters then wet stone to fine tune the edge. A steel just prolongs the edge. Quality blade for filleting should keep for 2-3 months..to check a blade run it down a sheet of newspaper should cut smooth and not grab if it does sharpen that spot...pm me if u want it done or contact someone local...chur
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Hi Snapfish, filleting knife. The blade is a Felix Solingen 4166 X50 CrMoV15. Yes, I only use Kleva Sharp for bait knives. On the original edge it did at least 70 fish or more.
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As snapfish said, steels don't sharpen knives. Use an oilstone, should be plenty on YouTube how to do it (or do a few months in the meatworks!). If you want to get it really sharp, the Lanskey kits are good and easy to use but relatively expensive. A natural Arkansas whetstone are supposed to be the best, feel smooth as but somehow make a razor edge.
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Every time I saw the kleva sharp advert on TV I used to cringe.  You could see the bits of blade being shaved off, certainly not something to use on a quality blade.
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Google edge pro.it's an American system.I have one.absolutely amazing results.
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Lanskey is the system I was thinking of!
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I used to be into flash knives and sharpen with a lansky 5 stone setup. I just don't have time anymore so I got an electric sharpener from burnsco with 2 wheels, coarse and fine, and a diamond steel. Takes me 2 minutes to get a $20 knife sharp enough to pop hairs off my arm, I just sharpen every second trip. Works for me.
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I have found these Eze lap sharpeners to be the goods, plus i find maintaining a knife easier also, after every couple of fish just give it a quick once over to keep the edge instead of letting it get dull.

Its always nerve racking hunting for the knife in the dirty dish water!

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http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/knives/hunting-knives/auction-1104619822.htm
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Before you get stuck into it with anything have a real good look at the edge and see if it has a double angle edge like this \/ or a single/chisel edge like this |/ - quite a lot of good filleting knives have a chisel edge.
 
If you sharpen a single edged knife with a sharpener made for double edges (most of them are) then you will find it goes blunt real fast and the edge chips easily.
 
I sharpen my good knives with a couple of grades of wetstone and usually give them a slick with a steel right before I start filleting. The filleting knife gets a quick go on the fine stone after every filleting session... it is slowly eating up the blade but I like my knives really sharp.
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I get mine sharpened at House of Knives in Mt Eden Rd.

They do a great job, drop them off one day pick them up the next. I use the Dick boning and filleting knives. the boning knives are great for cutting through the ribcage of big snapper
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bottom of a coffee cup while you're watching the fishing shows LOL
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All great advice and main thing is you have a sharp blade whatever you use. If you wanna buy knives go to Dunninghams in Penrose as they are the cheapest suppliers around and have full range- also gloves, steels etc.

I personally like European knives with Victorinox my pick as flexi, but also Giesser and Dick are excellent just a little stiffer blade. 
One thing is u fellas prob dont need to sharpen every time so when you steel knife keep it same angle as knife edge and only 3 strokes per side and get a soft/mild steel not coarse cheap one- NZ Cambrian brand are good. Plastic kills the edge on a knife so use wooden boards. And every once in a while run your knife down the wooden as gets rid of a feather edge and steel it again brings edge back up. 
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I have a Wenger knife. That thing hasn't been sharpened after about 50 fish and two sheep, but I have steeled it twice. The Victory knife I own needs more attention than that but is still good but my other knives I put on an oil stone after every second session. Usually they need to be steeled after a dozen or so fish.
 

I have a diamond sharpener but it's a cheapie and it puts a minute saw blade type surface on the blade which works ok but not like a very sharp knife should after an oil stone.
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Its always nerve racking hunting for the knife in the dirty dish water!

LOL learnt that lesson a long time ago... now when washing my knives i never let it go.

those Kleva sharp are a waste of time. my boy was keen but i said no... so he went and got one anyway and ruined the edge on his knife.
Lansky are a great system but time consuming initially 
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Those eze-lap diamond hones are great, I've had one for years.  Originally bought for the workshop to put the edge back on carbide tipped cutting tools it was soon used for most of my sharpening.  Great for putting the edge back on drills without having to grind them, they last ages longer and can be easily done on the job without having to go over to the grinder.  Also good for knives, hooks, etc.
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to be honest and this is far from purists who like butter smooth edges. i like my blade to have a bur on the edge, so it deals with snapper scales with ease.

i use Eze Lap, best value diamond steels imo.

I have a 600 grit which is as fine as I will go, takes a brr off. Get at least the 10", the 5" is fine for the boat. But if you are sharpening at speed its  a bit short. Learn what angle you need and a tip, you can start by learning the distance from the blade to the stone/steel with your thumb, muscle memory almost.

http://eze-lap.com/products/oval-diamond-sharpeners/

But usually I will stop at 250 grit which leaves the blade feeling a little like a very sharp saw, it will slice through paper still with ease. I also have the one with the groove for fish hooks.

http://eze-lap.com/products/diamond-stones/pocket-stones/

I just to be into stropping and Japanese wet stones and hey if I had expensive knives like a $500 chefs knife Id still go super fine. But I find sharp but with a rough edge great for fish skin. Just my 2c.

I use nothing but Victory knives, keeping the money in NZ is the only way our economy will survive the housing bubble when it bursts. Plus I like them a lot. Perfect amount of carbon and steel to make easy to sharpen but strong enough to hold the edge for a decent period of time.

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Went with 2 diamond steels that can be set at about a 20 and 22 degree angles from memory, with two ceramic rods at 22 deg.

Just run the knife down the steels alternately on each side of the V they created, about 6 a side at 20, then a few licks at 22. Strokes at 22 with less friction to finish. The edge of the knife faces the floor.

Then lightly run down the ceramic rods for a final touch. If they just need a touch up a couple of licks at 22 and the same on the rods works fine.

Ceramic rods set up a bit like this.


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Thanks guys, lots of good tips and info there. I've had a look at some of the suggestions online and wow some are expensive. Decided to go with the option of sending my filleting knife to the wife's cousin Lloyd in Kuaotunu (custom knife maker) for a sharpen.
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