New reel, which one?

Page  123>
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote ancient mariner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: New reel, which one?
    Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 11:44pm
ancient mariner View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Too far west
Status: Offline
Points: 1862
Just getting a new rod built, 7 foot 20 lb, mainly for casting plastics to mahimahi around the FADs here.
Wanting a 4000 sized reel.
Is it worth spending the extra for a Stella etc or are there reels that are pretty damn close which will save me a fistful of cash?
The twinpowers look nice but not much cheaper (not here anyways).

Any input much appreciated, as rod ready in couple of weeks
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (1) Likes(1)   Quote fish i Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 8:03am
fish i View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 11 Aug 2009
Location: ngahinemotu
Status: Offline
Points: 1765
Can you get twin powers in that size? I thought the Sustains overtook that line

Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote ancient mariner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:59am
ancient mariner View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Too far west
Status: Offline
Points: 1862
Yeah mate, about $300 cheaper thanks the Stella
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote OneWayTraffic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:07pm
OneWayTraffic View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 19 Jan 2013
Location: Amberley
Status: Offline
Points: 2832
Alan Hawk doesn't rate the Twinpower highly at all. 

More than a few readers have asked why Shimano's second reel, Twin Power SW, has never appeared on my lists. While in theory it's the "second reel", the Twin Power SW has always been a completely different reel to the Stella, and in reality it is much closer to mid range Shimanos than it is to the flagship reel. The Twin Power SW has the "budget" housing with a plastic gearbox attached to a metal frame, a completely different anti-reverse clutch, no back up anti-reverse, no floating shaft, and bearings are missing from vital locations just to name a few of the severe downgrades. This is a completely different situation to the 2011 Catalina which shares virtually all the premium features of the 2010 Saltiga . The 2015 Twin Power SW is practically a Saragosa SW with a metal rotor for much more money. Actually the Saragosa SW (and Spheros SW) are by design internally stronger and require less maintenance than the Twin Power SW. In short, the Twin Power SW belongs in the same basket of redundant overpriced reels as the Sustain FG, and you have better alternatives to these two in the Stradic FJ, Spheros SW, and Saragosa SW, the three of which maintain well deserved places on my top lists.

If you aren't going to splash out for a Stella or high end Daiwa, I'd have a good look at the Stradic. If you want more I'd go Daiwa.


Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Muppet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:31pm
Muppet View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 19245
Yeah Certate 3000 or 3012 size is awesome.
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Muppet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:32pm
Muppet View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 19245
New Stradic FK is pretty darn good too kept the Certate on the rod holder last trip.
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote tas-tackle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 6:18pm
tas-tackle View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 28 Apr 2007
Location: Cable Bay NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3775
owt..      where did the  Shimano Fire blood enter into the scheme of things...  ???

http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote OneWayTraffic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 8:54pm
OneWayTraffic View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 19 Jan 2013
Location: Amberley
Status: Offline
Points: 2832
I don't think I've ever seen Alan mention them. 

In a nutshell he recommends by price range, but is generally focused towards larger rather than smaller fish, and ignores free spool reels as he rarely uses them.

For regular reels he speaks very highly of Daiwa's Catalina especially, which is practically a cheaper Saltiga.

 In it's price range he recommends the Stradic FJ 'brilliant reel' for any fish of suitable size for the reel, and where dunking is unlikely.

If after bigger fish the Spheros SW gets the nod for being well valued, strongly built and fully sealed. Not so much the Saragosa SW which has minor 'improvements' for a major price bump.

For baitrunners he puts the Thunnus CI4 as easily the best option. 


What I like about his reviews is that he goes into obsessive detail, and after reading a few I feel like I've learned something.








Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote ancient mariner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:15pm
ancient mariner View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Too far west
Status: Offline
Points: 1862
Thanks owt, you may have saved me a few quid ;)
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote fish i Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 7:58am
fish i View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 11 Aug 2009
Location: ngahinemotu
Status: Offline
Points: 1765
The Twinpower FC and it's predecessor the FB were developed for the NZ & Oz market siting just above the Stradic and Saragossa in the line, and they only went up to 6000 size. There was always confusion drawn from customers in regards to the Twinpower  SW which was nearly twice the price, a different reel and further up the Shimano Line of spin reels. The Twinpowers made for the Japanese and US markets were both different agian, adding further confusion. Add the Sustain which wasn't originally in the NZ market has now replaced the smaller Twinpower name. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Firebloods were put out for NZ & OZ market and were essentially constructed with the previous Stella parts compared with the latest Stella at the time Confused?

I've owned and used multiple Stradics, Sustains and Twinpowers in various sizes. They are all great reels in my opinion, depending what sort of paces you want to put them through in regards to hard running kingfish. The sustains and smaller twinpowers were beautifully smooth with extra bearings in the right places and more metal configuration, I'm no reel engineer junkie. I've seen what effect that has when playing decent fish. But you do have to question the extra dollars when the Stradics and Saragossa's keep getting better and better. My inkling would be Stradic or Saragossa these days for a quality reel under standard use, but if you're a dedicated sports fisherman who really can see that you are going to get the reel absolutely screaming at force more often, a Stella may have to be the go. 
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote makka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 8:07am
makka View Drop Down
Gold
Gold


Joined: 05 Apr 2010
Location: Wellington
Status: Offline
Points: 779
What is everyone in NZ's obsession with shimano reels?
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Downtown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:14am
Downtown View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum


Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Location: TGA
Status: Offline
Points: 2469
They're the best everyone knows that Wink
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Muppet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:23am
Muppet View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 19245
Originally posted by makka makka wrote:

What is everyone in NZ's obsession with shimano reels?

Because in the old days it was the Penn Vs Shimano debate and we all know who makes the best reels out of those two now surely. Daiwa at the time I guess had a foot hold on the stardrag freespool with the best SLOSH series but then started bringing in the Saltiga, Luna's, Sol's, Ryoga's etc.

Since then Daiwa have innovated more with magseal etc and Shimano have kept pace I would say the new concept of bring the weight of a spinning reel closer to the rod with the new smaller Stella's and Stradic is a winner imo.

So who fishes Penn, Abu, Quantum etc? I would say 50% of fishing reels being used would be a Shimano of some sort and sales figures would back it up. 

 
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote makka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:47am
makka View Drop Down
Gold
Gold


Joined: 05 Apr 2010
Location: Wellington
Status: Offline
Points: 779
It's funny you say that, I look at my collection of reels, it's mainly daiwa but there is also penn, abu, shimano, avet and quantum included in it, in light tackle spin reels I don't feel that shimano comes close to daiwa, and shimano are behind on baitcast reels too, where shimano shine is their heavy tackle spin gear and game reels. Daiwa really lacks in it's range in NZ, bugger all of their reels are available over here
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Muppet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 10:18am
Muppet View Drop Down
Titanium
Titanium
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: NZ
Status: Offline
Points: 19245
I buy Shimano mainly because their warranty and back up servicing is 100% awesome as well as having great reels besides.

You say Shimano lack on baitcasters I would say the old Curado D and E models are maybe the best ever made no nonsense workhorses. And from what I read the american bass anglers are calling the Chronarch C14 baitcaster the best out there now. I owned a couple of Daiwa baitcasters in the Curado price range the old and they did not come close.

Light spinners well Shimano have the Stella's and Daiwa has the Exist, Branzino and Certate. If you have not had a play with the new Stradic its worth a look.

TBH Daiwa and Shimano have been matching up with new concept reels for years now. But at the end of the day most anglers could get buy with a TLD, SLOSHY and a baitrunner and that would be 2-1 to Shimano. About the sales rate I would bet LOL
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote OneWayTraffic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 11:07am
OneWayTraffic View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 19 Jan 2013
Location: Amberley
Status: Offline
Points: 2832
Daiwa make plenty of reels that I would prefer to Shimanos, but I have reservations about service and support. 

Ancient Mariner, since it's a medium size reel, I'd either go Stradic or Stella in the Shimano range. I wouldn't bother with much in between.

If you want a bit more water tightness than the Stradic, but don't want a Stella, then the Certate is completely sealed. Apparently the magseal is now mature, and works well, prolonging time between services, but you can not self service. So you will need to send it to a qualified dealer every other year or so. 

A good reel is really a smooth drag, strong gearing and a solid anti reverse. If all of those are ok, then the reel will be fine.

Disclaimer: All this based on what I've read mainly Alan Hawk, but other stuff as well. 
I fish a Stradic 2500, Technium 4000, Symmetre 2500, Thunnus 8000 Ci4, and a Calcutta 200d. None of them have ever let me down, and I fully expect years of use from all of them.


Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Wallopit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 9:07am
Wallopit View Drop Down
Silver
Silver


Joined: 22 Jun 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 149
the new stradics are going to be a winner in my book. also if your looking to save a bit from a stella. I would look at the daiwa sol II or a couple of the newer magrealed models/
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote Nomis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:22pm
Nomis View Drop Down
Platinum
Platinum
Avatar

Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 1067
Originally posted by tas-tackle tas-tackle wrote:

owt..      where did the  Shimano Fire blood enter into the scheme of things...  ???

that line ended about 4-5 years ago I believe 
I'll act my age when im 69
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote kaveman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:34pm
kaveman View Drop Down
Forum Sponsor
Forum Sponsor
Avatar

Joined: 18 Oct 2004
Location: Whangamata
Status: Offline
Points: 9731
Originally posted by Downtown Downtown wrote:

They're the best everyone knows that Wink


Maybe, once upon a time but imo Diawa have taken over
www.kavemantackle.co.nz
Back to Top
Post Options Post Options   Likes (0) Likes(0)   Quote kaveman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:36pm
kaveman View Drop Down
Forum Sponsor
Forum Sponsor
Avatar

Joined: 18 Oct 2004
Location: Whangamata
Status: Offline
Points: 9731
Originally posted by makka makka wrote:

It's funny you say that, I look at my collection of reels, it's mainly daiwa but there is also penn, abu, shimano, avet and quantum included in it, in light tackle spin reels I don't feel that shimano comes close to daiwa, and shimano are behind on baitcast reels too, where shimano shine is their heavy tackle spin gear and game reels. Daiwa really lacks in it's range in NZ, bugger all of their reels are available over here


Agree about the Shimano Tiagra game reels but there large spin reels are a distant 2nd to the new model Saltiga(check out Alan Hawk's reviews)Wink
www.kavemantackle.co.nz
Back to Top
Page  123>
Forum Jump
Forum Permissions View Drop Down


This page was generated in 0.627 seconds.

Fishing Reports Visit Reports

Saltwater Fishing Reports
Tauranga Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Tarakihi on the bite Trips are few and far between at this time of year,... Read More >

28 May 2026
Freshwater Fishing Reports
Canterbury Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Fresh and salt turning it on! It is not very often I get to say... Read More >

28 May 2026
Saltwater Fishing Reports
Bay of Islands Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Lures paying dividends We finally had a break in the SE winds that have been... Read More >

28 May 2026
Saltwater Fishing Reports
Manukau/West Coast Fishing Report - 28/05/26

Snapper and gurnard in the harbour The weather has finally taken a turn for the... Read More >

28 May 2026
Fishing bite times Fishing bite times

Major Bites

Minor Bites

Major Bites

Minor Bites