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Topic: New reel, which one?
Posted By: ancient mariner
Subject: New reel, which one?
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 11:44pm
Just getting a new rod built, 7 foot 20 lb, mainly for casting plastics to mahimahi around the FADs here.
Wanting a 4000 sized reel.
Is it worth spending the extra for a Stella etc or are there reels that are pretty damn close which will save me a fistful of cash?
The twinpowers look nice but not much cheaper (not here anyways).

Any input much appreciated, as rod ready in couple of weeks



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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 8:03am
Can you get twin powers in that size? I thought the Sustains overtook that line



Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:59am
Yeah mate, about $300 cheaper thanks the Stella


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:07pm
Alan Hawk doesn't rate the Twinpower highly at all. 

More than a few readers have asked why Shimano's second reel, Twin Power SW, has never appeared on my lists. While in theory it's the "second reel", the Twin Power SW has always been a completely different reel to the Stella, and in reality it is much closer to mid range Shimanos than it is to the flagship reel. The Twin Power SW has the "budget" housing with a plastic gearbox attached to a metal frame, a completely different anti-reverse clutch, no back up anti-reverse, no floating shaft, and bearings are missing from vital locations just to name a few of the severe downgrades. This is a completely different situation to the 2011 Catalina which shares virtually all the premium features of the 2010 Saltiga . The 2015 Twin Power SW is practically a Saragosa SW with a metal rotor for much more money. Actually the Saragosa SW (and Spheros SW) are by design internally stronger and require less maintenance than the Twin Power SW. In short, the Twin Power SW belongs in the same basket of redundant overpriced reels as the Sustain FG, and you have better alternatives to these two in the Stradic FJ, Spheros SW, and Saragosa SW, the three of which maintain well deserved places on my top lists.

If you aren't going to splash out for a Stella or high end Daiwa, I'd have a good look at the Stradic. If you want more I'd go Daiwa.




Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:31pm
Yeah Certate 3000 or 3012 size is awesome.


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 4:32pm
New Stradic FK is pretty darn good too kept the Certate on the rod holder last trip.


Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 6:18pm
owt..      where did the  Shimano Fire blood enter into the scheme of things...  ???


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Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 8:54pm
I don't think I've ever seen Alan mention them. 

In a nutshell he recommends by price range, but is generally focused towards larger rather than smaller fish, and ignores free spool reels as he rarely uses them.

For regular reels he speaks very highly of Daiwa's Catalina especially, which is practically a cheaper Saltiga.

 In it's price range he recommends the Stradic FJ 'brilliant reel' for any fish of suitable size for the reel, and where dunking is unlikely.

If after bigger fish the Spheros SW gets the nod for being well valued, strongly built and fully sealed. Not so much the Saragosa SW which has minor 'improvements' for a major price bump.

For baitrunners he puts the Thunnus CI4 as easily the best option. 

http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/wr15.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/wr15.html

What I like about his reviews is that he goes into obsessive detail, and after reading a few I feel like I've learned something.










Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:15pm
Thanks owt, you may have saved me a few quid ;)


Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 7:58am
The Twinpower FC and it's predecessor the FB were developed for the NZ & Oz market siting just above the Stradic and Saragossa in the line, and they only went up to 6000 size. There was always confusion drawn from customers in regards to the Twinpower  SW which was nearly twice the price, a different reel and further up the Shimano Line of spin reels. The Twinpowers made for the Japanese and US markets were both different agian, adding further confusion. Add the Sustain which wasn't originally in the NZ market has now replaced the smaller Twinpower name. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Firebloods were put out for NZ & OZ market and were essentially constructed with the previous Stella parts compared with the latest Stella at the time Confused?

I've owned and used multiple Stradics, Sustains and Twinpowers in various sizes. They are all great reels in my opinion, depending what sort of paces you want to put them through in regards to hard running kingfish. The sustains and smaller twinpowers were beautifully smooth with extra bearings in the right places and more metal configuration, I'm no reel engineer junkie. I've seen what effect that has when playing decent fish. But you do have to question the extra dollars when the Stradics and Saragossa's keep getting better and better. My inkling would be Stradic or Saragossa these days for a quality reel under standard use, but if you're a dedicated sports fisherman who really can see that you are going to get the reel absolutely screaming at force more often, a Stella may have to be the go. 


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 8:07am
What is everyone in NZ's obsession with shimano reels?


Posted By: Downtown
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:14am
They're the best everyone knows that Wink


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:23am
Originally posted by makka makka wrote:

What is everyone in NZ's obsession with shimano reels?

Because in the old days it was the Penn Vs Shimano debate and we all know who makes the best reels out of those two now surely. Daiwa at the time I guess had a foot hold on the stardrag freespool with the best SLOSH series but then started bringing in the Saltiga, Luna's, Sol's, Ryoga's etc.

Since then Daiwa have innovated more with magseal etc and Shimano have kept pace I would say the new concept of bring the weight of a spinning reel closer to the rod with the new smaller Stella's and Stradic is a winner imo.

So who fishes Penn, Abu, Quantum etc? I would say 50% of fishing reels being used would be a Shimano of some sort and sales figures would back it up. 

 


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 9:47am
It's funny you say that, I look at my collection of reels, it's mainly daiwa but there is also penn, abu, shimano, avet and quantum included in it, in light tackle spin reels I don't feel that shimano comes close to daiwa, and shimano are behind on baitcast reels too, where shimano shine is their heavy tackle spin gear and game reels. Daiwa really lacks in it's range in NZ, bugger all of their reels are available over here


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 10:18am
I buy Shimano mainly because their warranty and back up servicing is 100% awesome as well as having great reels besides.

You say Shimano lack on baitcasters I would say the old Curado D and E models are maybe the best ever made no nonsense workhorses. And from what I read the american bass anglers are calling the Chronarch C14 baitcaster the best out there now. I owned a couple of Daiwa baitcasters in the Curado price range the old and they did not come close.

Light spinners well Shimano have the Stella's and Daiwa has the Exist, Branzino and Certate. If you have not had a play with the new Stradic its worth a look.

TBH Daiwa and Shimano have been matching up with new concept reels for years now. But at the end of the day most anglers could get buy with a TLD, SLOSHY and a baitrunner and that would be 2-1 to Shimano. About the sales rate I would bet LOL


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 11:07am
Daiwa make plenty of reels that I would prefer to Shimanos, but I have reservations about service and support. 

Ancient Mariner, since it's a medium size reel, I'd either go Stradic or Stella in the Shimano range. I wouldn't bother with much in between.

If you want a bit more water tightness than the Stradic, but don't want a Stella, then the Certate is completely sealed. Apparently the magseal is now mature, and works well, prolonging time between services, but you can not self service. So you will need to send it to a qualified dealer every other year or so. 

A good reel is really a smooth drag, strong gearing and a solid anti reverse. If all of those are ok, then the reel will be fine.

Disclaimer: All this based on what I've read mainly Alan Hawk, but other stuff as well. 
I fish a Stradic 2500, Technium 4000, Symmetre 2500, Thunnus 8000 Ci4, and a Calcutta 200d. None of them have ever let me down, and I fully expect years of use from all of them.




Posted By: Wallopit
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 9:07am
the new stradics are going to be a winner in my book. also if your looking to save a bit from a stella. I would look at the daiwa sol II or a couple of the newer magrealed models/


Posted By: Nomis
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by tas-tackle tas-tackle wrote:

owt..      where did the  Shimano Fire blood enter into the scheme of things...  ???

that line ended about 4-5 years ago I believe 


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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Downtown Downtown wrote:

They're the best everyone knows that Wink


Maybe, once upon a time but imo Diawa have taken over


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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by makka makka wrote:

It's funny you say that, I look at my collection of reels, it's mainly daiwa but there is also penn, abu, shimano, avet and quantum included in it, in light tackle spin reels I don't feel that shimano comes close to daiwa, and shimano are behind on baitcast reels too, where shimano shine is their heavy tackle spin gear and game reels. Daiwa really lacks in it's range in NZ, bugger all of their reels are available over here


Agree about the Shimano Tiagra game reels but there large spin reels are a distant 2nd to the new model Saltiga(check out Alan Hawk's reviews)Wink


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Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 1:36pm
Yes thanks fish i and Nomis....     I believe the Fireblood was manufactured with all Stella parts ..  but had less bearings in them to reduce the price..   I bought one back then and still have it as my go to 2500 spin reel for softbaits..  sitting on a synit gts...   still smooth as silk as the day i bought it..

my range of reels are shimano .. daiwa  .. maxel .. penn and accurate and a pfleuger  in the mix..
I buy reels for their specific use with price point in mind.. gone are the days where cheap and nasty will do..
yet i dont own a stella either..  I have bought reels off fishnet which even tho second hand have been immaculate..(cheers muppet)  but others from well known folk have never seen a spot of oil or grease...


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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 7:23pm
Saw the new Daiwa Ballistic today $389. You cannot get a new latest model Daiwa without forking out near $400 yet I saw the new Stradic for $240.

Price will always be Daiwa's problem here.


Posted By: pure--lure
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 7:27pm
yet daiwa gear was some of the cheapest in us shimano dominated on prices dont know if thats still the way

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Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:07pm
Dazed and confused ......


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:10pm
Why, you got a budget go with what you like. Approve


Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:39pm
Don't have a budget as such Muppet, if can get away with mid range reel then all good otherwise a Stella it is.
Never used a spin setup this size, used to overheads.
Tempted by Stradic, and seems like a lot of folk here love them.


Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:43pm
Mahimahi get to decent sizes and smaller wahoo and tuna will take the same lures at times around fads too. The 5000 size is an awesome reel I reckon, really versatile, more capable and hardly noticeable size difference to a 4000. Probably better suited to your rod as well. My Stradic 5000 has been a trooper.

so why not lay it out 

Stradic 4/5000, Certate 3000, Catalina 4000, or Stella. I haven't fished Saragossa SW but I imagine the 5000 SW would be a sick little reel as well.  


Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:47pm
I don't know about the latest reels, but i know stradic 4000 used to come with felt drag washers where as 5000 came with carbontex.


Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:55pm
Thanks I fish, less murky now


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 8:40pm
I recently bought a Stradic 4000 it just seemed like a lot of reel for the money and the Diawa's are a bit pricey. I had an Okuma Saltiga 2 which went really well for a cheapie but the diecast main gear predictably let it down eventually but it took three years. Why more softbait reels don't have a handle like that one is a mystery to me. Biggest fish on the Stradic so far is only a 50cm snapper so it hasn't been tested yet.


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Posted By: ET487
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 8:43pm
Nothing wrong with the new 2015 twin powers. About $562 nz from plat plus postage if you go that way. I have 3 older model 10 000's and use them about every weekend on GT's and yellowfin for the past 3 years. Had them serviced a few weeks ago and they only install new carbontex drag washers for me. Not sure if you will buy a stella for that price.


Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:30pm
Where did you see it that price Saffayakker?


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:39pm
But if you are going to spend $600 you might as well go the whole hog and put the Stella on. 

The Stradic 4000/5000 will do everything you need and then some. I upgraded washers for $20 from an ebay supplier so that's moot. If you don't plan to dunk it, usually fish 2kg-4kg of drag, and want a good valued reel then that will do you fine. 

A 20lb rod shouldn't be using any more than 4kg drag anyway.

Otherwise if you want the best money can buy, at the moment it's not Shimano. I was going to spend some extra to put a Stella on one of my rods. Can happily say that not doing so has not and will never cost me any fish, on anything I will use that rod for. 


Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 11:31am
I have a Shimano Stella 2500 and a Daiwa Branzino 3000 - they are totally different to use, feel, look everything and suit different rods in my opinion. I also have a Daiwa Saltiga 6000 - much bigger but again a very different feel.
How much did you spend on a custom rod? A full spool of braid (300m+) and a bunch of good lures...total cost well over a grand without the reel?

With the specific custom rod in hand, put the reels you like on and get a feel for the difference and which you prefer. You'll soon know whether the extra few hundred dollars are worth it for the top end gear.

Like cars, it has to please you when using it... lust is in the eye of the beholder Big smile




Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 12:58pm
Which stradic is the ideal, the FJ model?


Posted By: JignJim
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 1:11pm
I see that your are getting a custom rod made so why not get a custom reel to suit, Kane from Decoro does some magic things with those Accurate Twin Spin SR6 and with 8kg drag i feel thats plenty.

Have a look at the customised softbait reels topic to see his work.


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 2:09pm
FJ is the most solid. Ci4+ is the lighter model with composites., and FK is the latest, which I know nothing about. 






Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 3:47pm
The Ci4 stradics flex a bit much for my liking, they feel cheap IMHO


Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 6:56pm
Got a couple of Stradics for good price, thanks guys :)


Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 6:59pm
Like the twin spins also but not the price they asking!


Posted By: duncb
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2015 at 8:31am
I've just got a fk stradic 2500 and can't fault it. An amazing reel for the price. I .v got a Stella and a saltiga and even compared to these the stradic feels and performs fantastically. Highly recommended if you don't won't to spend $1000 plus for a Stella or saltiga.


Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2015 at 7:06pm
I agree Espresso.
I just took a Saragosa off my softie rod and put on a much lighter CI4.
The Saragosa is a great reel and I have many many big fish on it with my little rod but as soon as I put the lighter reel on my rod it just balanced perfectly and was perfect right off the bat!
The reel does feel a little cheap compared as someone mentioned but the drag is smooth and so is the wind and it's pure pleasure to fish with compared to the much stronger Sarogosa in the same size.
Loosing the weight without going to a small body reel is magical.
Like a cheap barrel heavy shotgun then someone hands you a gun thats balanced.
I get a new nano rod tomorrow and am pretty excited to pair them up.
You do need high quality for casting around fads for sure but a good fit and feel for hours of happy fishing is very important.


Posted By: CanadianJohn
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2015 at 8:47pm
the stradic 8000fj is alot cheaper then the 5000 fj. i need to order a lower end kingy reel for an upcoming trip. is there much difference in the capability of the 8000 to make it worth the extra 270grams? the 8000 will save me $70.
its going on a iam miller t curve 701spin


Posted By: Norseman
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 3:03am
Keep it simple and go for a Shimano Baitrunner.

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Posted By: Downtown
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 7:17pm
Thats not really simplifying things at all casting plastics doesn't need a baitrunner function so just added weight to the reel with no real advantage for that style of fishing. A lot of good reels already mentioned another good one to add to the list is the latest rarenium mines been going solid out of the yak for awhile now, nice lightweight reel with plenty of drag if required. The new stradic feels mint but have yet to give mine any sort of real test.


Posted By: CanadianJohn
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 9:32pm
i'm not too keen on baitrunners. i'd like a 5000 size reel or slightly bigger. from earlier posts it sounds like the stradic 5000 is a quality reel. i was just wondering if it was worth getting the 8000 because its cheaper.


also looking at the spheros but hard to find in 5000 size. maybe when i get some more time on my hands i can do a better search.


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 9:56pm
If after Kingies I'd go for the 8000. The only advantage of the 5000 is less weight and a higher gear ratio.

The 8000 should be more rugged all round, and has a more capable drag.

You can still view the specs and schematics on Shimanos site. The link is down, but a google will find it. 




Posted By: duncb
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 10:33pm
I have the same t curve rod. With a fj stradic 4000 with $25 carbontex drag upgrade. It pulls 5kg under perfect test conditions in my lounge. Less in a boat. That is all the rod is capable of pulling. It holds close to 300 meters of pe1.5 8 carrier braid. More than enough of line that breaks at over 10 kg. I've landed small gt's kingfish to 18 kg, big Spanish Mackerel and lots of other nice fish on this outfit. Never let me down once. But I always keep my gear serviced regularly.


Posted By: JW
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2015 at 11:47am
I also just got a fk stradic 2500 while the sustain gets fixed and agree it is an amazing reel for the price. I might just leave it on there once the other reel is fixed.

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Posted By: swordfishsteve
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2015 at 8:14am
Makka
Brilliant marketing I think, so many more great brands around for you guys to choose from , however with the saturation advertising & promotions of this brand hard not to believe it is the best for all applications. Great for my reel repair business, cheers swordfishsteveSmile


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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2015 at 1:53pm
Imma throw this one in the mix too. 

 The new Penn Clash, (laugh all you like Shimano fan boys :P) 

 The 2000 for the dainty among us 
 the 3000 for people that want a good crank handle. fantastic drag etc with great line capacity for softbait. 
 
 And the 6000 for those who want some grunt for jigging / stick baiting. 

 Light weight, most excellent Line lay. metal body, CNC machined Alloy composite main and brass pinion on the 2000-3000-5000 sizes and CNC machined Brass main and pinion on the 6000 and 8000 sizings... 

 I own the 3000 and it would be one of the nicest small spin reels I've used sub $800 price range. 

 



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